[308/338]

Well, as someone else already stated, you could die. Most likely, you just destroy a gun. There is no need to "Hot Rod" any round. A standard, 200 grain .35 Remington load at 2000 fps (real world over chrono) will do everything that needs done. Elk, moose, bear, and deer are all efficiently taken with a .35 Remington. Not a theory, for I have done it. If a fella feels the need to turn his .35 Remington into a magnum, just get some Buffalo Bore 220 grain ammo. I can easily get over 2200 fps with a 200 grain bullet by reloading, but choose not to, as the .35 is a light recoiling round that performs very well as designed. If you want more speed, get a bigger rifle.

You’re one hundred percent right and that’s the conclusion I came to some 40+ years ago and bought a BLR 81 Win. 358 and years later I came across a Win. 94AE 356 and then the Marlin 336 XLR 35R.
The years has passed but at a club range I setup a chronograph and test my reloads, WLR. REM. cases. H4895 HDY 200gr. FTX MV average in the high 1900fps. with very good accuracy.
Tony

 

[71Rcode]

I reload. While interesting that some guys boost the .35 Rem safely, I really like my book max 36.5gr of IMR 4895 performance. My fav caliber....it's just right!

 

[Tactical Lever]

I may have misspoke a little on the strength of the Marlin 336. It was chambered briefly for the .356 Winchester, so that suggests it can take some pressure in a small case. I wouldn't get too wild with it though.

 

[Bill2311]

The parent case of the 360 is the old 30-30. I seem to recall guys reworking old 30-30 guns into 35 cal. i.e. pushing out the shoulder and boring out the rifling to .35 cal.
It seems that the 360 is the product of that.

 

[Bill2311]

FWIW, I still have several straight wall cartridge guns. A Marlin 44 mag, Marlin 444, 45-70 Trapdoor, and a 50-70 Sharps carbine. I find them easy to reload and each has a use.
I suspect that in the next few years we will see the excitement over the 360 fade as we did with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Lots of great cartridges have been introduced but never seem to really hang on. 356 WIn, 375 Win come to mind.

 

[James Knierim]

I'm curious can an old Marlin in 35 Rem shoot the new Rem 360 Buckhammer round and has anyone tried it yet?

Two different cases. Shoot what your rifle is chambered for.

 

[Saddle Ring]

I see that's why Henry is making a rifle just for the 360 buckhammer, wasn't sure if that was just a 35 Rem labled as 360

If it's the .35 Rem you want, Henry is making one of those too (Model #H024-35)...

Side Gate Lever Action Rifle | Henry Repeating Arms

For the Home and the Field – To Protect and Provide

www.henryusa.com

Interestingly enough, for all their similarities (including bore diameter), the rate of twist on the Henrys in 35 Rem & 360 BH is quite different ... 1 in 16 versus 1 in 12, the faster twist accounting for the latter's increased power & velocity.

 

[Saddle Ring]

What would happen if you hot rodded a .35 with to much pressure, what's the worst case scenario?

Factory "hot rod" .35 Rem comes with a warning for a reason ... heed it.

 

[Core781]

I'm curious can an old Marlin in 35 Rem shoot the new Rem 360 Buckhammer round and has anyone tried it yet?

I would guess Buckhammer would blow your .35 action up in your face.

 

[schwarzwildabknaller]

No question is a bad question! The projectile (200 grain bullet only) is the same diameter and interchangeable between the two brass cases for reloading.

The only bad question is one that should be asked, but isn't, especially in a case (pun intended) like this.

 

[Uncle Powder 4064]

Factory "hot rod" .35 Rem comes with a warning for a reason ... heed it.

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The particular Buffalo Bore ammo you have shown here is pretty incredible, 230 grains @ 2200 fps. On the face of it it would appear to be way over pressured. And, those hard cast bullets wouldn't be stopped in any size animal. I think I'll stick to my pet load using the Speer 180 grain; good accuracy, good pressures and accurate. One rifle to add to the rifles listed on the Buff bore box would be the Remington 760 or 7600. The lock up is with the locking lugs in the front of the bolt like a bolt action. Its a pretty strong action.

 

[petemacmahon]

Short answer NO.

Buckhammer is a much higher pressure round and straight wall, 35 rem is bottleneck. Two totally different rounds, except for bore diameter.

Even the long answer is NO! Even the bullet diameter is not the same. The 35 Remington is a 358, while the buckhammer is listed as a 359.

like Wjude said: SAAMI max pressure for 35 Remington is 33,500 psi. Max for 360 Buckhammer is 50,000 psi .

I think a more interesting question is: What is the highest pressure cartridge that was ever factory chambered in the Marlin 336 platform?

 

[Uncle Powder 4064]

Even the long answer is NO! Even the bullet diameter is not the same. The 35 Remington is a 358, while the buckhammer is listed as a 359.

like Wjude said: SAAMI max pressure for 35 Remington is 33,500 psi. Max for 360 Buckhammer is 50,000 psi .

I think a more interesting question is: What is the highest pressure cartridge that was ever factory chambered in the Marlin 336 platform?

My guess is both the .356 Winchester and the .375 Winchester. There weren't a lot of Marlins chambered for those 1980's cartridges, which are now obsolete. Winchester chambered them in the Big Bore receivers. Both loads had chamber pressures of around 50,000 psi.

 

[Wjude]

My guess is both the .356 Winchester and the .375 Winchester. There weren't a lot of Marlins chambered for those 1980's cartridges, which are now obsolete. Winchester chambered them in the Big Bore receivers. Both loads had chamber pressures of around 50,000 psi.

I would agree, those two have pretty high chamber pressures. I’d also add the 2 Marlin Express cartridges, 308me and 338me. Don’t know the exact spec, but they are up there.

 

[Wjude]

The other thing that must be taken into consideration, those cartridges that do have a high pressure, the brass hull itself is pretty heavy duty compared to the other ones. Case in point, 375win brass is heavier duty than a 38-55.
I don’t think 35rem brass is anywhere near as robust as the Buckhammer brass. All of that needs to be taken into consideration.

 

[Uncle Powder 4064]

I hadn't thought about the Marlin Express loads. I looked up pressure indices for the .308ME and the highest reload pressure was 47,000psi using Accurate powder and a 170 grain bullet. It was the same with the 160 grain. Hodgdon doesn't come close to any hot-rodding with their load data which is just fine and dandy for me. I have never handled a Marlin Express rifle. Is it built on the 336 receiver platform with the rear bolt locking lug? I've always thought of the locking lug or locking block on the Marlins as the weak link. The receivers are machined out of a single block of steel which I like but the locking block sticks up into the bolt. It's a pretty stout piece of steel but unlike the Winchesters there is nothing anchoring it from behind. Also, depending on how much steel is machined from the breech of the receiver to accomodate larger calibers will make the platform weaker, let's say the .35 Remington vs. the .45-70 or the 444 Marlin. I have a Winchester model 94 Big Bore in Trip4 and know the receiver in it can handle 10% greater pressure than the Marlin 336 when reloading.

 

[Wjude]

The other thing is those older models are CUP, newer Marlin Express are PSI, I don't know how to work the numbers in either direction to compare. Buckhammer is in PSI, 35 rem in CUP.
I think the Marlin Express are 336 actions, but the barrel threads are different, the Express models were a different style allowing for more strength. I'm not 100% on that. Hopefully some of the knowledge guru's will chime in.

 

[Tactical Lever]

The other thing is those older models are CUP, newer Marlin Express are PSI, I don't know how to work the numbers in either direction to compare. Buckhammer is in PSI, 35 rem in CUP.
I think the Marlin Express are 336 actions, but the barrel threads are different, the Express models were a different style allowing for more strength. I'm not 100% on that. Hopefully some of the knowledge guru's will chime in.

I've read the number aren't comparable, but I've also found an online conversion.
Have seen .35 Remington data using either. Seems like all the new data no matter the cartridge is in psi, and probably more reliable with the current powders.

My Lee book has CUP, PSI, and CIP (which I'm not familiar with).

I don't concern myself with the thread type. The well established loads and relative strength of the 336 was all with the older threads. I'd be more concerned with beating up the action with a steady diet of very hot loads.

 

[Tactical Lever]

If it's the .35 Rem you want, Henry is making one of those too (Model #H024-35)...

Side Gate Lever Action Rifle | Henry Repeating Arms

For the Home and the Field – To Protect and Provide

www.henryusa.com

Interestingly enough, for all their similarities (including bore diameter), the rate of twist on the Henrys in 35 Rem & 360 BH is quite different ... 1 in 16 versus 1 in 12, the faster twist accounting for the latter's increased power & velocity.

Faster twist will just stabilize heavier bullets better.

 

[James Knierim]

Shot the caliber the firearm is set up to shoot. Don’t risk harm to yourself or the firearm.