I would not try to do so. Doesn't the .35 Rem. have a shoulder and the 360 Buckhammer have a straight case? Isn't the .35 Rem. a rimless case and the 360 Buckhammer a rimmed case?

If you try it, let us know how it worked.

 

Short answer NO.

Buckhammer is a much higher pressure round and straight wall, 35 rem is bottleneck. Two totally different rounds, except for bore diameter.

 

Short answer NO.

Buckhammer is a much higher pressure round and straight wall, 35 rem is bottleneck. Two totally different rounds, except for bore diameter.

Even the long answer is NO! Even the bullet diameter is not the same. The 35 Remington is a 358, while the buckhammer is listed as a 359.

like Wjude said: SAAMI max pressure for 35 Remington is 33,500 psi. Max for 360 Buckhammer is 50,000 psi .

I think a more interesting question is: What is the highest pressure cartridge that was ever factory chambered in the Marlin 336 platform?

 

Totally different cartridges

 

I see that's why Henry is making a rifle just for the 360 buckhammer, wasn't sure if that was just a 35 Rem labled as 360

 

If it's the .35 Rem you want, Henry is making one of those too (Model #H024-35)...

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Interestingly enough, for all their similarities (including bore diameter), the rate of twist on the Henrys in 35 Rem & 360 BH is quite different ... 1 in 16 versus 1 in 12, the faster twist accounting for the latter's increased power & velocity.

 

The caliber of a rifle is always stamped on the barrel for a reason. I would never try to load ammo into a rifle that was wasn't of the type stamped on the barrel.

 

^^^^^^^ This.

RP

 

No question is a bad question! The projectile (200 grain bullet only) is the same diameter and interchangeable between the two brass cases for reloading.

 

I agree without a doubt.
Tony

 

Makes sense its the casing that separates them apart but the bullet is the same caliber

 

I wonder why the straight wall 360 Buckhammer has such a higher pressure index than the bottlenecked .35 Rem? (50,000 psi vs. 35,000 psi) Both rifles have the same receiver and guts with the rear bolt locking lug. And, it appears the .35 Rem case holds or can hold more powder than the 360 BH. Are factory loads such as the Rem Core Lokts still anemic to account for the old model 8's still in circulation? I won't tell you what I reload in my .35 Rem, but it outperforms the 360 BH ballistically. Many Marlin 336's have been safely converted to .356 Winchester, a round producing 50,000 psi. It's hard for the .35 Rem to reach it's ballistic potential when ammunition is loaded to accomodate old model 8's and 81's. At least Hornady comes closer to .35 Rem potential with their 200 grain FTX Leverevolution which I think is a pretty nice loading. (Rem Core Lokts 200 grain @2080 muzzle vel./ 1921 ft lbs energy vs. Hornady 200 grain FTX at 2250 muzzle vel./ 2248 ft. lbs energy) Long live the .35 Remington.

 

Yes, the Remington 8 wasn't very strong I suppose. Just like 45-70 loaded low for the old trap door guns.

My handloads best the factory numbers handily, and I've exceeded the max load with Lever by a bit in my .336. The data says it should be compressed, and I believe I should be able to get a couple more grains in safely. The LE loads are still very low pressure. A few different powders look like they should do very well, and I'd approximate the 44 000 psi of the 30-30 without getting too nervous.

 

You were probably thinking you could fireform the Buckhammer to the .35 chamber, but the .35 headspaces on the shoulder and the Buckhammer is undoubtedly on the rim. Probably wouldn't even chamber with the big rim, and if you managed to touch one off, I think the case would split, and the bullet would likely skid into the leade off kilter.

I'd recommend getting the .35.

 

Man this is very interesting you guys. I never thought to compare the case pressures of the 30-30 versus the 35 Remington which are used in the same receivers. Is it possible that the 35 Remington was never really wildcatted or hot rodded publicly and therefore was just kept in its lowest pressure form ( i.e. Rem model 8 / 81 acceptable) all these years? But there's a lot of room to hot rod?

 

Oh yeah for sure there's a bit of room. I wouldn't be doubling it or anything, but there's more to be had for sure. Just keep in mind the Marlin isn't as strong as a Winchester 92, 1886, or even a 94 Big Bore. The .35 has more case volume and more surface area (bore size) for the pressure to act on than a 30-30, so a "regular pressure" load is a good boost.

Was telling a friend about hot rodding the .35 a little and I was surprised that it was almost getting close to .308 levels with a heavy bullet. He saw it a little different at first; that it "wasn't even .308 level", when I saw it as getting close and darn good numbers out of a traditional lever.

Saw a guy on one of the forums work up some on quick load, and it was pretty impressive.

 

What would happen if you hot rodded a .35 with to much pressure, what's the worst case scenario?

 

Well, as someone else already stated, you could die. Most likely, you just destroy a gun. There is no need to "Hot Rod" any round. A standard, 200 grain .35 Remington load at 2000 fps (real world over chrono) will do everything that needs done. Elk, moose, bear, and deer are all efficiently taken with a .35 Remington. Not a theory, for I have done it. If a fella feels the need to turn his .35 Remington into a magnum, just get some Buffalo Bore 220 grain ammo. I can easily get over 2200 fps with a 200 grain bullet by reloading, but choose not to, as the .35 is a light recoiling round that performs very well as designed. If you want more speed, get a bigger rifle.

 

You die!

 

I reload. While interesting that some guys boost the .35 Rem safely, I really like my book max 36.5gr of IMR 4895 performance. My fav caliber....it's just right!

 

I may have misspoke a little on the strength of the Marlin 336. It was chambered briefly for the .356 Winchester, so that suggests it can take some pressure in a small case. I wouldn't get too wild with it though.

 

The parent case of the 360 is the old 30-30. I seem to recall guys reworking old 30-30 guns into 35 cal. i.e. pushing out the shoulder and boring out the rifling to .35 cal.
It seems that the 360 is the product of that.

 

FWIW, I still have several straight wall cartridge guns. A Marlin 44 mag, Marlin 444, 45-70 Trapdoor, and a 50-70 Sharps carbine. I find them easy to reload and each has a use.
I suspect that in the next few years we will see the excitement over the 360 fade as we did with the 6.5 Creedmoor. Lots of great cartridges have been introduced but never seem to really hang on. 356 WIn, 375 Win come to mind.

 

Two different cases. Shoot what your rifle is chambered for.

 

I would guess Buckhammer would blow your .35 action up in your face.

 

The other thing that must be taken into consideration, those cartridges that do have a high pressure, the brass hull itself is pretty heavy duty compared to the other ones. Case in point, 375win brass is heavier duty than a 38-55.
I don’t think 35rem brass is anywhere near as robust as the Buckhammer brass. All of that needs to be taken into consideration.

 

I hadn't thought about the Marlin Express loads. I looked up pressure indices for the .308ME and the highest reload pressure was 47,000psi using Accurate powder and a 170 grain bullet. It was the same with the 160 grain. Hodgdon doesn't come close to any hot-rodding with their load data which is just fine and dandy for me. I have never handled a Marlin Express rifle. Is it built on the 336 receiver platform with the rear bolt locking lug? I've always thought of the locking lug or locking block on the Marlins as the weak link. The receivers are machined out of a single block of steel which I like but the locking block sticks up into the bolt. It's a pretty stout piece of steel but unlike the Winchesters there is nothing anchoring it from behind. Also, depending on how much steel is machined from the breech of the receiver to accomodate larger calibers will make the platform weaker, let's say the .35 Remington vs. the .45-70 or the 444 Marlin. I have a Winchester model 94 Big Bore in Trip4 and know the receiver in it can handle 10% greater pressure than the Marlin 336 when reloading.

 

The other thing is those older models are CUP, newer Marlin Express are PSI, I don't know how to work the numbers in either direction to compare. Buckhammer is in PSI, 35 rem in CUP.
I think the Marlin Express are 336 actions, but the barrel threads are different, the Express models were a different style allowing for more strength. I'm not 100% on that. Hopefully some of the knowledge guru's will chime in.

 

I've read the number aren't comparable, but I've also found an online conversion.
Have seen .35 Remington data using either. Seems like all the new data no matter the cartridge is in psi, and probably more reliable with the current powders.

My Lee book has CUP, PSI, and CIP (which I'm not familiar with).

I don't concern myself with the thread type. The well established loads and relative strength of the 336 was all with the older threads. I'd be more concerned with beating up the action with a steady diet of very hot loads.

 

Shot the caliber the firearm is set up to shoot. Don’t risk harm to yourself or the firearm.

 

Two completely different cases. Don’t hurt yourself

 

Just looked up my Leverevolution loads, and factory Remington chronograph results.

The Rem Core-Lokt factory 200 gr. I got 1986 FPS average. (2080 advertised)

46 gr. of LE and 180 Speer Hot-Cor I got 2322 FPS av. Same charge with 200 gr. Hornady Interlock I got 2226.

Was supposed to be compressed, but it appears that I can get a little bit more in there than that. I believe it was supposed to be a grain over max with the 180.