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Why .30-30 Winchester Will Never Die

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
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We all have our "firsts." A first rifle, first shotgun, first hunt, first big game animal. If you were lucky, as I certainly was, you grew up in a hunting family, and got to head afield as soon as you were of age. More often than not, it was with a borrowed rifle (if that’s a legal implement in your area) that didn’t recoil too harshly, so a new hunter/shooter could effectively make the kill with a properly placed bullet. My dad—Ol’ Grumpy Pants—killed his first buck with a Marlin Model 1893 in .30-30, borrowed from his best friend’s father, and used that rifle for four or five seasons before acquiring the well-used .308 Winchester that he has shot so well for forty years. When I came of age, GP presented me with a brand new Winchester Model 1894AE XTR, chambered in .30-30, as my first rifle. I still have it and killed my first seven or eight deer with it. It was—and still is—a lightweight, handy carbine that will kill anything in the Northeast woods, provided I put that bullet where it belongs.

In this modern era of hunting rifles and cartridges, common sense would indicate that a cartridge with the performance level of the .30-30 would long ago have faded into obscurity. I mean, it’s certainly not a speed-demon, it doesn’t carry a huge payload, and its effective range is usually 200 yards, tops, especially considering the average barrel length and iron sights of most of the rifles it is chambered in. So then, why does the .30-30 still show up in the top ten of most ammunition companies’ sales lists? Why won’t it go away?
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Because it works, plain and simple. It was a cartridge developed during the crossover period between black powder and smokeless powder, released in 1895 in the new fangled Model 1894 Winchester, and works well to this day with either. It performs just fine with cast lead bullets, and the recoil generated is low enough for a youngster to use to hunt with and develop good marksmanship skills. The .30-30, in most factory offerings, is loaded with 150 or 170-grain round nose or flat nose bullets, which have enough sectional density to properly penetrate at the .30-30 velocities. The 150-grain load runs at an average of just shy of 2,400 fps, and the 170-grain bullets leave the muzzle at an even 2,200 fps; perfect for using a standard cup-and-core bullet without risking premature breakup.

If your hunting ground is more along the lines of the wide open plain of Wyoming or a beanfield that you measure in football fields, the .30-30 may not be a cartridge for you. But, if the woods of the Northeast—whether the oak and hickory woods of Pennsylvania or the hemlock and beech forests of the Adirondacks and Catskill mountains or any reasonable comparison—better represents your hunting, there is no reason not to shoot .30-30 if you feel comfortable doing so. The shots that I have here in upstate New York rarely exceed 75 yards, and I’ve never taken one in the woods over 125 yards. If you can accurately place your shots at those ranges, the horsepower of the .30-30 is there when it comes to effectively killing whitetail deer, feral hogs
and black bear; if you like the mountains, you’ll appreciate the lightweight lever gun at the end of the day. The decision to use a riflescope or not depends on you and your rifle. The Savage Model 99, the Marlin Model 336, and many of the break-action .30-30s can easily be scoped; the older Model 1894 Winchesters had ‘top-eject’, which precluded using a scope over the center of the bore.

Plus, the .30/30 has a certain ‘cool’ factor. As hunters, we are most definitely in touch with our heritage, and using a lever-gun that was the rifle-du-jour of our grandfathers’ and great-grandfathers’ era has a particular appeal to it. I usually reserve my doe-tags for lever-action work; it’s fun to get just a little bit closer and change things up a bit after using scoped bolt-action rifles for so many years. The .30-30 definitely had a huge effect on the popularity of the .308” caliber that we have so readily embraced, and has been responsible for an unquantifiable amount of meat.

Additionally, the .30-30 has received some upgrades in the ammunition department. There are many premium bullets available for the .30-30 in factory loadings, including a 150-grain flat-nose Barnes TSX all-copper bullet compliant with the ‘lead-free’ zones, Federal Premium offers the 150-grain Trophy Copper bullet in their Vital-Shok line, for deeper penetration, and Hornady has the LeveRevolution line featuring the Flex-Tip spitzer that is perfectly safe to use in the tubular magazines that so many of the lever guns use. If you hand load your ammunition, you can take things even further, using the 170-grain Nosler Partition flat-nose, or maybe the Falcon Bullet Company 165-grain Fal-Coated cast lead bullet. I’m currently tinkering with the 100-grain Cutting Edge Bullets all-copper hollowpoint, which has a flat meplat that will work safely in a tubular magazine, yet can be driven to over 2,600 fps in the venerable case.

Whether you appreciate the .30-30 for its history and legacy, or for the clean, classy lines of the rifles that house it, rest assured that it represents an American engineering success story, and I truly believe it will still be with us 50 years from now.

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#3 ·
Im new here and will never get rid of my 336. I just picked up a 1976 model 336 in mint condition . This is the same model as my first rifle . It just a super cool rifle .I have installed a happy trigger and big loop as well as a rail up top,and the plastic stock (way lighter) but I can make original in 45 minutes .
I just hope I have a grandson one day to pass it down too.
 
#8 ·
Yep, 30/30 is all that's needed in eastern woods and mountain deer and Black Bear "hunting". Most of the deer I have shot in 50+yrs
of hunting have been with iron sighted rifles of 30/30 or similar calibre. And very few were shot at over 100yds, not because gun was
not capable of longer shots, it's just the nature of mountain deer hunting.
 
#13 ·
I live here on the west coast and a 30-30 is my most used rifle. When hunting in the mountain's in thick forests and even with the mixed open patches and clear cuts i have never had my 30-30 come up wanting. The 200 yards or there abouts range of the 30-30 has been plenty for me my average shots on game have still averaged +/- 100 yards. The 30-30 has probably thought of more as an eastern gun but it's still plenty popular here out west! :)

The humble but versatile 30-30, a favorite from coast to coast, and arctic to jungle!
 
#9 ·
I'll never part with my 30-30's. West-central Wisconsin is where I hunt and it's hilly and heavily wooded. Don't need anything else. Usually can't see anything beyond 100 yds. or so. I have to suppress a laugh whenever I see some yahoo with a magnum something or other. My deer are just as dead. Probably deader.
 
#10 ·
This is a great write up on the venerable 30-30 ALR, thanks for sharing. I have been trying to think of the words to say just why the 30-30 (especially in a Marlin) is my favorite cartridge/rifle combo but I think you said it better than I could! :)

I think as long as we have hunting rifles around, the 30-30 in a lever gun will be with us. It is just too practical and use able a combination to die.
 
#12 ·
Well......all that and the fact that I have one that I'll never part with. My grandkids will get it. I may even let my Son use it....but it will go to one of my grandson's. I dunno which. Maybe I'll just say to my "most favorite grandson" in my will....and let 'em fight over it. :flute:
 
#16 · (Edited)
I started out my big game hunting adventures in 1970 with a borrowed Winchester 94 shooting 170 grain core-lokt ammo. A large doe was shot at approx. 75 yards while sneaking out of an apple orchard shortly past dawn. At the shot, the deer bounded away but toppled in mid stride after a few jumps. My bullet tore a ghastly swath of damage through the chest organs and left a fan shaped blood mark in the snow. Very good performance from an old rifle with iron sights and modern ammunition. I became an instant fan of the 30 WCF cartridge! Since then I bought a Glenfield side-eject in order to mount a modern hunting scope for easier distance sighting. For my hunting style, the 30-30 reigns supreme!

I've heard it said that 30-30 is a low velocity cartridge but not true. It is a MEDIUM velocity cartridge. In contrast, 44 Special is a low velocity cartridge.

TR
 
#17 ·
While it's true that the 30-30 doesn't have the blazing velocity of say...the .308 or the 30-06, for most Pa. hunters deer are killed in the first 100 yards. The 30-30 delivers plenty of energy in that distance to kill any Pa. whitetail. Well.....except maybe those whitetails found within 5 miles east of Three Mile Island. :ahhhhh:
 
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#20 ·
Have 2 x pre 64 Winchester 94 carbines in 30-30 Winchester.
Also a scoped (Leupold 2-7x33) Marlin 336SS in 30-30.
Both of the 94s have taken deer, elk and moose.

The off the shelf green box 170 grain core-lokts do justice to them all.
No need to get any fancier and more expensive than what works.
Got 20 boxes cheap for $9.95 a box a couple of years ago.
Should last me the rest of my life.
 
#22 ·
Walk into any sports shop in the US and Canada. Look on the shelf and 30-30 will be there.

Most major chain stores with a sporting goods section that carry ammo 30-30 will be there.


If you can't take it with a 30-30 you missed. If you can't kill it with your 30-30 find a good .32 Special. ;)
 
#28 ·
Walk into any sports shop in the US and Canada. Look on the shelf and 30-30 will be there.

Most major chain stores with a sporting goods section that carry ammo 30-30 will be there.


If you can't take it with a 30-30 you missed. If you can't kill it with your 30-30 find a good .32 Special. ;)
In the fall the "crappy tire" (Canadian Tire) store shelves are usually piled high with the old standbyes 243 Win, 270 Win, 30-30 Win, 308 Win, 30-06 Sprng, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag.
If you have an odd/old caliber like 257 Roberts, 30-40 Krag, 300 H&H, 351SL, 358 Win, 401SL better bring your ammo with you or you might wind up as a shoe in for the position of the camp chief cook and bottle washer because you got no ammo to shoot in your gun.
Long way to drive for dish pan hands.
 
#31 ·
ALR - Nice write up on the 30-30. I shot my first deer with a top eject 1949 Win Model 94 in .32 Win Special that I borrowed from my Uncle Jack. I not only came from a house that didn't hunt, my Dad would not allow guns in his house. I spent a lot of time with my Uncle Jack hunting squirrels and rabbits with a single shot H&R .410. The barrel marking stated it was a 44 caliber (using the 44-40 shot cartridges) but Uncle Jack had it rebored to 3" .410. Then I graduated to deer hunting and used his Model 94 .32 Win special while he bought a brand new Remington pump 30-06. I purchased that Model 94 from Uncle Jack upon my return home from overseas in Dec 1973. In the past 43 years I've killed 38 more deer in calibers ranging from the 338 Win Mag, down to the 6mm Remington and just about any caliber in between you could think of. My last deer I shot was with the 30-30 using the HDY Flex Tip factory ammo. Seems like in my older age I've come full circle away from the "Big Boys" with their jellied meat, loud muzzle blast and harsh recoil. I've never hunted any where other than my home region here in NE PA. Looking back on all my deer kills, there is not one that could not have been killed with the 30-30 as my longest shot on 40 deer has been 126 lazared yards. I purchased my first 30-30 in 1995 to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the 30-30. Now I have three of them and wonder why I waited so long. An accurate 30-30 with the right ammo will serve most of us for 95% of our hunting. I know it will for me.

358 Win
 
#33 ·
Do consider the 30-30 with even the 170 gn loads, is way faster than anything on this planet, whether it swims, flies or runs.

If it has blood in it, the 30-30 will put it in your freezer.