Very interesting... but at $54.00 a box I will have to stick with making my own
305gr at a bit over 2300fps, I bet it hits pretty hard.



Doc

 

Looks interesting. But at that price I might just buy the Lehigh projectile and load my own.

 

Well, it seems a bit pricey for my blood. My M95 guide gun shoots Hornady's 350gr FN bullet at 1905 chronographed and groups
3/4" at 75 yds. The reasoning behind the 75 yd mark is that it allows me to hold dead on out to 150 yds (my personal limit with this gun).
I'm using IMR3031 and WLR primers, the load data was taken out of Ken Water's Pet Loads. This is a heck of a lot less expensive, and
tough to beat the accuracy. This particular load has accounted itself very well taking moose and elk. Your needs might be different than
mine, and I generally like innovation, but I just don't need more penetration than I'm already getting with my current load.

 

What is KWs load?

 

just how many elephants, rhynos, tiger tanks and such do you have to shoot through to get that rabbit?

 

Whew! That is a pretty hefty price. I get enough penetration out of my 405gr cast handloads. They will pass right through an elk and deer and I'm going to try them on a Spring bear hunt this year but I'm sure they will do fine. I've seen similar bullets before that could be bought for handgun. Even these state that they will hold their integrity going through a barrier. It almost sounds like they were developed for law enforcement. I don't know of many game animals that are standing behind a door when you shoot them. I'm afraid I would have to pass at that price. I realize that you are in Cal. and cannot use lead anymore but if you hand load I would just develop some loads with bullets you can buy and it would be a whole lot cheaper. I feel for ya not being able to shoot a cast boolit where ya live. :hmmmm:

 

Looks pretty good.
Wounder if anyone would have that at a gun show.?
Iam hitting one tomarrow.

 

Looks like a nice product, but I'll gladly pass at that price.

My cast 405 gr. load hit a 400 lb hog in the butt and penetrated the full length of the hog with the bullet protruding just under the skin in the animal's chest. I'm more that satisfied with a solid five feet of penetration.

 

Pandering to the 47-70 "MagnuM" crowd.......

 

A product for a need that no one has.

 

Looks like a Leihigh clone to me.

Ill stick with my 430gr flat nosed hunk of lead. About 9 cents each.

Reminds me, daughter is bring another bucket of wheel weights home. Good daughter

 

While I do like the thought of a solid copper projectile, that price is way too high for my likings. When they start selling boxes of 50 wide tipped pills at a reasonable price, I might buy some just to get the lead out. At the current price for any stage of completion, pass. I'll stick with coated 405 grain Missouri bullet at 1500-1600 fps. Nothing on this continent will survive 1 or more of these.

 

When I read the link, especially 'bout the +P ammunition, the first thing that came to my mind was "This is an answer searching for a problem"....

Now as far as cost goes, brass is/never was economical to buy, machining material is expensive and even more so when done in limited quantities, and probably a low demand will keep the prices higher than more are willing to pay.

 

I like Underwodd Ammo. I've bought his ammo in many different calibers (9mm, 45acp, 44mag, 10mm, 5.56, 243, 308 and generally prefer his cartridges and prices vs. Double Tap, Buffalo Bore, etc.

Over the past year or so he's really put a lot of effort and focus in loading and marketing various Lehigh CNC machined projectiles. Big push on for boutique, high margin products It seems. I like the Lehigh control fracture projectiles. However, I don't see anything special in this flying phillips head 45-70 projectile that lots of other MUCH less expensive options provide already (unless someone was looking for body armor penetration capability).

I'm pleased to see Underwood loading for 45-70 and hope this is just his 1st product offering. Hopefully many other projectiles in 45-70 from Underwood will follow.

 

Planetcat,

The "problem" with this cartridge will be the same as with any other light for caliber bullet/45-70 load out there. It will shed velocity and energy like water off a ducks back no matter how fast you start it!

Why is there this continued effort to make the 45/70 into what it never was intended to be and will Never BE?

Just so much better would be that weight in say a .444 or a .375 both of which would provide much better down range results.

Hornady, along with their stupid, non-standard brass FTX gummy nose/burger on the hoof 45/70 load offers their 250gr Mono-flex for the 45/70.

Simply put, this rifle is at it's best with a bullet of 400+ grains and it thrives on Wide Flat Nose cast bullets of that weight in mid 1000 - 2000fps velocities.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

 

I bought several boxes of their +p 10mm a couple years back. It really makes my clock 29 rock n roll! A little spendy - but a good alternative for those who want a pretty much max load but have no interest in gearing up to reload.

Now for 45-70 I'll roll my on - thank you very much :flute:

 

ive shot that UW 10mm out of my glock 29 too. It is quite snappy, to say the least. :afraid: Their .30-06 ammo shoots great for me also. I dont reload at all, so am at the mercy of factory load outs. I try to shoot common rifle calibers, so my selections are decent.

 

So what would be the recommended round (best effect) for :

Bison - ?
Elk - ?
Moose - ?
Bear - ?


I'm guessing a 45/70 has a purpose for North American Game. But what is that?

 

frgood,

Could be several answers to your question if a person was considering jacketed as well as cast bullets, as there are some good and worthy "J" bullets available. Those not being light for caliber offerings.

But from my view point, have gone to the 45/70 for one reason, that being the opportunity to use my own cast bullet to hunt, I'd choose a good Wide Flat Nose cast.

That would be, for all the critters you have listed AND more, a WFN of 400gr or a bit more, sent out the barrel at 1400 - 1700fps.

I assure you as I have said many other times. the 465gr WFN at 1650fps muzzle velocity that I use is nothing short of AWESOME in my experience on deer and elk.

Would love to have the opportunity to face off with a moose or buffalo both of which would be no contest!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot