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The future of the .444?

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#1 ·
One of my favourite rifles is my .444 Outfitter. However what's the future of the .444 under Ruger?

Ruger produced the .45/70 first to feed into its obvious popularity, and to bring as much cash into its bank account as fast as it could (Like every sensible business would do).

Next up is the 336 in .30/30. That makes sense; popular rifle, equals more money in Rugers bank account. I expect that this will continue with the 1894. But what is the future of the .444?

Now that Ruger is producing a 1895 action for the .45/70, there wouldn't be much trouble chambering a .444, but there needs to be a 'demand' for them to do it.

Is the demand there?
 
#4 ·
I wonder if Ruger notices the lack of actual "rifle" bullets that would make the 444 a more potent big game cartridge. Seeing bullets like the Hornady 265gr FN go back into production would help drive sales of new 444 rifles. But pistol bullets are usually all we can choose for reloading. I guess only time will tell what the future holds for new 444 Marlin rifles...
 
#5 ·
My guess is you will at least see a limited run of the T4 at some point. Maybe a Lipseys offering. I honestly feel it will eventually be an offering in the 1895 platform probably right before or after the 35 Rem is released in the 336. And then .357 in the 94's. Sort of a phase two caliber offering for those lines of rifles. Maybe I am dreaming.
 
#7 ·
I think it’s dim. Like @ballistics04 stated, the ammo is not there, both commercial and the components to reload. I load for mine but outside of the FTX bullet, there are no common rifle bullet loading options. I run the 300 gr XTP and XTP mag, but at the end of the day they are still pistol bullets. Maybe if Ruger revives it, it will revive the ammo/component industry as well. I would love to see Hornady start producing the 265 gr FP again.
 
#10 ·
Hornady makes brass for the .444, so it stands to reason that they would be the best candidate to produce a hunting bullet (eg: reintroduce the 265gn FP).

Woodleigh Bullets in Australia list a 280gn FN SN bullet. The boxes I have are specifically marked ".444 Marlin", but I see in the 2020 catalog these are listed for both .44 Mag and .444 Marlin. In any event, Woodleigh suffered a factory fire some time ago and I believe are only just starting to come back on line, so I wouldn't expect to see this bullet on the market any time soon. Some top end US ammunition makers were using Woodleigh bullets in their cartridges so they are a premium product, but come at a premium price.
 
#14 ·
Starline makes 444 (T4) brass and there are cast bullet molds available to load the cases to velocities comparable to factory ammo. I've been hoping that Speer would make their excellent 300gr bullet again, but it seems more popular calibers have their attention for the time being. I still have a good supply of 265gr Hornadys, which is enough for a lifetime of hunts. I'm always on the look-out for 270gr Speers, just because I have no experience with them! My 265 and 300gr cast molds are the ones Ranch Dog designed, when he was more active in the industry, with a flat, wide "meplat" at a nominal diameter of .432. Both are excellent bullets that are accurate; can be driven as fast as jacketed bullets; and is just as effective on game as jacketed (IMO). All the 240gr HP's need not be driven to max velocity of the T4 to work well on medium sized game with the exception of the 250gr designed by Sierra; for it seems to be a much tougher bullet because very little lead is exposed at its flat tip, and driven to the max should work as well as the 265gr. (I would like to get my hands on this bullet, as well Sierra's 300 when they get back into full production!) I don't think the T4 is going away, for it has made it thus far with little support from the "corporate" industry because it is unique among "big bore" cartridges that pack a "whallop" without the attenuating big "slap" from the recoil. My .02
 
#15 ·
No one on this forum can answer that question. One can only speculate on what they might produce and for how long. Ruger will manufacture what they think the consumer wants and how much product they can sell. Why manufacture something that may not sell in the thousands. What they might do is make special runs of a few hundred every so many years. But really only time will tell. I like the 444, I own a Marlin in that caliber, and I won't part with it.