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Starline 223 Rem. or Starline 5.56x45mm?

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Rifle Remington 788 223 Rem.
I like to load Speer .224" 70 gr. ST. bullet - Varget powder - CCI 450 Mag. primers from Speer's online data. The data shows the use of IMI brass (Israel Military Industries) I have both, Starline 223 Rem. and Starline 5.56x45mm. the question I to you MO reloaders which brass would you use?
 
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Since the data is of the online Speer reloading data website I called their tech and he said the IMI is a commercial case not a military case. He said it'll be good with the Starline 223 rem. brass.
 
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On the Starline website explains the differences. Copy & pasted off Starline website.



The 5.56x45mm NATO is the military version of the .223 Remington, which is one of the most widely used centerfire cartridges today. Starline’s 5.56x45mm brass is identical to Starline’s .223 Remington brass except for a slight change in the metallurgy making it harder at the base of the case.

When loaded at .223 Remington pressures, Starline's .223 brass is safe to use in any firearm chambered for .223 or 5.56x45mm. If loaded to 5.56 pressures, you need to use firearms labeled for use with 5.56mm. It can be unsafe to fire 5.56mm ammunition in firearms with a .223 Remington chamber.
 
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Regardless of which brass you use, load to 223R specs. What is the rifling twist rate in your 788?
 
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Believe it's 1 in 12" twist. I have fired Speer's .224" 70gr. Semi-Spitzer SP a long time ago I can't remember how tight the group was but do know they were clean round holes and group well. PS. I can't remenber if I shot at 50 or 100 yards. As soon as I can I will have target pictures at 50 and 100 yards. I also have Speer 55 gr. Spitzer SP too.
 
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Have .223 and 5.56 marked cases with primers that weigh between 91 grains up to 104 grains. IMI SS109 marked brass weighs 98.6 grains, this brass was from a production run done around 2000. .Point is, have some 223 and 5.56mm brass that is as heavy , and 223 and 5.56 brass which is light. I'll take a sit in front of the TV, with an electronic scale and separate mixed brass into three piles, 91 to 95, 95 to 100 and 100 to 104. Obviously a 101 grain case is around 10% thicker than a 91 grain case, and hot load in a 91 gr case maybe over pressure in a 104 gr case. . If you are going to hot load all cases with the same load trying to reach full 5.56 fps, build the load in the heavier cases, as it should then be as safe to safer in the lighter higher volume cases, thou velocity will fall a bit. Looking at online actual factory 5.56 ammo velocity tests, some 5.56 is in the 233 velocity range, the rest are normally about 100/150 fps hotter than a max. loaded .223. In the real world, 5.56 is usually not as hot loaded as people believe.. I load the same accurate hot 223 load, in all the case weights. The heavier cases deliver about 50 fps (with not to scary pressure signs) more than the lightest cases with the same charge, and are stored as the SHTF loads, because they are very close to a true full mil spec 5.56. So in essence you can move from a hot 223 load to a very near full mil spec load, by using the same load in different weight cases. Reloaders who concern themselves with placing 5.56 pressure loads into a .233 need to be aware of the effect of case weight on pressure/velocity, case sorting and a chronograph would insure the goal is achieved.

5.56 has a higher pressure based on the early tracer bullet, which is longer than SS109/M885, and is why the lead/pressure was increased in 5.56. So if you are not firing 5.56 tracers and otherwise keeping off the lead .....??
 
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Use the 223 brass for your bolt rifle. The 5.56 base hardness will be better suited to the violent extraction that happens in a gas operated rifle.

I have shot that bullet before in a gas rifle. My final load after several trips to the rifle club was Reloader 15 (very similar to Varget) But way over the listed max charge listed in the online Speer load data section. The said rifle also has a NATO chamber, and i seated the bullet out to mag length.

If you did that in your 223 REM you would jam the lands big time. That bullet has the most blunt ogive of any 224 i have seen. Know your "distance to jam" before seating that longer than what Speer suggests. IIRC it was around 2.175 COAL for 223 REM.

Keep loading until you see pressure, feel heavier than normal bolt lift, abnormally high velocity, or groups clearly deteriorating at max or better.