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Scout Scope vs Pistol Scope?

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#1 ·
All,

I'd like to put a scout scope on my Guide Gun. It seems that nobody offers an adjustable power scout scope, but many make adjustable power handgun scopes.

Has anyone successfully mounted a handgun scope on a levergun to be used as a scout scope? It seems the eye relief would be about right.

Recoil was a concern, but I've seen good pistol scopes (Leupold) take a beating on some big bore revolvers.

Thoughts?
 
#2 ·
FWIW, Leupold makes a variable power scout scope. It's new, but they offer it now.

I tried a fixed power pistol scope on my scout mount on the GBL and it fairly sucked. Not good at all. Small window of visibility and a mostly black view, unless you got it just right.

Popped a Leupold FX II 2.5x scout scope on the rail and it was an epiphany! Total satisfaction.
 
#3 ·
It all depends on the eye relief spec's for the scope that you're using. Bushnell 2X6 pistol scope, used on a TC 45/70 pistol for a couple years and no probs so far on it's new home. A 16" "Micro SBL".

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#9 ·
im going to be watching the scout scope deal. i just bought the complete xs rail and sight setup for my 1895GBL. i love a traditional scope and have always used them with both eyes open for faster target acquisition so i find the scout ordeal interesting. i just dont like how they look. so now i need for my 1895GBL to get here and the sights. its just a shame that the QR rings have to be so expensive.
 
#11 ·
Guys,

I'll be honest, one of my biggest draws to lever guns is how easily they carry in the field. With their balance point at the front of the receiver, and being so thin, it makes a perfect spot to wrap your hand around and carry.

The reason I'm looking for a scout scope is to keep that area "open" for my hand to carry the rifle. I'm also considering an micro Aimpoint, but would like a bit of magnification for hunting.

The Leupold adjustable needs to be too close to the receiver for my intended hand placement. If I were to go that route, I'd just go for a regular 1-4x traditional scope.

Thanks guys.
 
#12 ·
Ive based scope choices on a lot of things, but never how it carries on the rifle. I have the 1-4 variable Leupold scope and mounting forward of the reciever is doable. With short arms my preferense is back further though. I position my scopes based on being able to lever the gun still mounted to the shoulder without loosing the sight picture. Yes the variable will sit back further than the fixed.
 
#13 ·
I have a one inch tubed M8 Leupold 2x ER blued scope available that I will be selling soon. It came on top of a High Standard Victor 22 LR pistol I recently purchased. I can't use a scope that has more than 1x magnification in competition, so it will be sold eventually.

According to my Gun Digests scope reference section a Leupold 2x ER has an eye relief of 12-20 inches

The 2x ER Leupold is in VG++. It didn't take much abuse aboard a 22 LR target pistol that was hardly shot. It has a duplex reticle. $175, shipped (lower 48).
 
#14 ·
I put a Burris 2X7 Pistol Scope on my Guide to use in Africa and it worked quite well for me allowing me to make some over 200 yard shots that would have been much harder with the 2.5 scout scope. Keep in mind that higher power will have a smaller field of view. again I didnt mind that either. I love my setup so much I put a 4X pistol scope on my M39 .22.
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#16 ·
Theleatherman said:
I put a Burris 2X7 Pistol Scope on my Guide to use in Africa and it worked quite well for me allowing me to make some over 200 yard shots that would have been much harder with the 2.5 scout scope. Keep in mind that higher power will have a smaller field of view. again I didnt mind that either. I love my setup so much I put a 4X pistol scope on my M39 .22.
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Please tell me about those cheek pads on the comb!
 
#17 ·
Theleatherman said:
I put a Burris 2X7 Pistol Scope on my Guide to use in Africa and it worked quite well for me allowing me to make some over 200 yard shots that would have been much harder with the 2.5 scout scope. Keep in mind that higher power will have a smaller field of view. again I didnt mind that either. I love my setup so much I put a 4X pistol scope on my M39 .22.
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Spectacular guns, Leatherman. I had not seen that setting before ... but 200+ yards shots with a 18,5" barrel gun?, what cartridge did you use?

Cheers
 
#18 ·
Thanks guys. The comb raisers are my own product I sell on my web site www.accu-riser.com. I am currently out of the walnut version but hope to have more in a month. The Guide gun is a Wild West Alaskan guide in .457 magnum. I settled on a load pushing a Swift A-frame 350grain at 1945fps. This being the most accurate and I didnt like the heavier loads recoil. You can get 300 and 350 grain bullets faster in a 45-70 but like I said I didnt like the added recoil. I have the balistic crosshairs in my scope and I sighted the top main one at 100 yds. The second was on at 150 yds and the third was on at 200. My local rifle range only went to 200 yds so I didnt shoot it any farther, I really didnt expect to shoot any farther than 150 yds. but where I went in South Africa there was very little brush. Mostly rock. Those animals were extremely hard to get close to sometimes. But it made for some memorable stalks and shots. I am going back again next June and takeing a 270 and a traditional flintlock rifle in .58 cal. If I can get up to within 100 yds I will use the flintlock and If I see something I cant refuse beyond, the 270 will come into play.
 
#20 ·
Theleatherman said:
Thanks guys. The comb raisers are my own product I sell on my web site www.accu-riser.com. I am currently out of the walnut version but hope to have more in a month. The Guide gun is a Wild West Alaskan guide in .457 magnum. I settled on a load pushing a Swift A-frame 350grain at 1945fps. This being the most accurate and I didnt like the heavier loads recoil. You can get 300 and 350 grain bullets faster in a 45-70 but like I said I didnt like the added recoil. I have the balistic crosshairs in my scope and I sighted the top main one at 100 yds. The second was on at 150 yds and the third was on at 200. My local rifle range only went to 200 yds so I didnt shoot it any farther, I really didnt expect to shoot any farther than 150 yds. but where I went in South Africa there was very little brush. Mostly rock. Those animals were extremely hard to get close to sometimes. But it made for some memorable stalks and shots. I am going back again next June and takeing a 270 and a traditional flintlock rifle in .58 cal. If I can get up to within 100 yds I will use the flintlock and If I see something I cant refuse beyond, the 270 will come into play.
Thanks Leatherman, all I can say is I can't stop looking at your guns, they are amazingly handsome :eek:. They make my Marlinitis even more severe :D.
 
#21 ·
I owned a Burris scout scope once that the crosshairs and turret weren't even near to being on the same plane.Never again.
Steve
 
#23 ·
If you hunt, a scout scope might work. If you target shoot, you won't like it. I was never able to shoot as accurate as with a conventional scope... That's why ruger sells you the 5 day gunsite class, lol. But, if you wanna be a scout, go with the leupold. I think swfa has the variable scout scope from leupold, but it's pricey. Have heard good things about burris scout scopes, but have no experience with it , so i can't recommend it to you. I switched my leupold scout for a VX-R 1-4 with red dot, this scope is in a different league than all the others i've purchased so far, really a fantastic buy.
 
#24 ·
Pistol scopes have an eye relief of about 16", which is too long for use on a rifle. One consequence of a long eye relief is a narrow range of operability. If you work closer (or further) than the ideal eyepoint, the reticule goes dark. Scout scopes (e.g., Leupold, Burris) have an eye relief of about 10", which is just right for a rail just aft of the receiver (e.g., the XS Rail, which attaches to the receiver and rear sight dovetail). Leupold makes a fixed 2.5x Scout Scope, and a 1.5x to 4x variable scope. Either can be purchased with a Leupold "Fire Dot" illuminated reticule from their custom shop.

For about the same money, you could buy an Aimpoint red dot sight, which is IMO better suited for hunting at 150 yards or less, especially for rapid target acquisition or shooting under adverse lighting conditions. A 2 MOA dot is not ideal for target shooting, but I get groups smaller than that with an M4 carbine. I put it in the center of a 3" bullseye with a thin ring of black showing.