I am not an expert, only an observer.

If you go back in time before repeating arms, lever actions and revolvers, there were single shots. The extractor mechanics of the single shots of the day, including the trap door Springfield, falling blocks, rolling blocks, and tip up actions required a rimmed case to operate and something to stop the case in the correct position in the chamber. Even rimfired cartridges were availale in many calibers of the day.

As repeating arms were created, they utilized cartridges already in production. The 47-50 is the base cartridge for many others. The 38-55 became the base cartridge for many popular rifle calibers in lever actions. Many popular revolver cartridges became offerings in lever rifles and allowed the user to have one cartridge for both pistol and rifle.

If you look across the pond to Europe, the 8x57 Mauser and many others had both rimmed and rimless offerings. From the 8x57, the 7x57, and 6.5x57 were created. Because many owners selected a drilling rifle, a side by side shotgun with a rifle barrel under, a rimmed cartridge was needed for extraction in a break open operation.


Again, only observations.

 

I made the same observations but the ruger # 1 is a single shot I had one once in well 7x57 Rimless. and I saw a a really nice combo Valmit once in 12 ga and .308 win, Just so you know I am not picking a fight here! I am just thinking the same gun could chamber a rimed case too. valmit made it in in a big ass 9.3x 74R yet they both work fine the .308 and 9.3x74R . I am no gun smith and if I was to make a cartridge it to would most likely have a rim on it lol.

 

I personally prefer the rimmed cartridges. I would rather load a .45 Colt or auto rim than a .45 A.C.P. so I can get a good rolled crimp and not have to headspace on the case mouth/length. I have had no trouble loading .358 Win for my Savage 99 but I would rather load for 45-70 or my .375 Marlin where the rim keeps it all in the right place in the chamber.

 

That is a good point you brought up is head space! good I got people talking I like to hear ideas on everything all types of guns are good in my book!P.S I also have read that the 35 rem has a small shoulder not good but not bad for head space issues. keep the ideas coming guys and girls!

 

68 Glenfeild,

Agreed the Ruger #1 and #3 are a falling block that can manage both rimmed and rimless cartridges, first production 1967. Originally, the 1885 Winchester was chambered in rimmed cartridges only. Somewhere along the way, changes in design now allow rimless cartridges. One of my wish list rifles is a 1885 Low Wall in 260 Rem.

I have a self diagnosed and bad case of singleshotitis, the falling block version.

 

You need too get that fixed right away! it is a nasty way that smooth click of the action and putting a Round in the chamber can do to a man! only one cure go out and shoot it lol Now too sound like a real sicko I traded my 7x57 to my best friend for his 45-70 lol

 

Perhaps your friend won.

 

Na I still have 2 more 7x57s Three is a crowd lol and I needed another single shot in 45/70 something I could load the snot out of it unlike my trap door h&R.
No by your title you have a .256 levermatic? I passed on one years ago in 30 carbine and I am still kicking myself for that!!!!!

 

PoopDeckPappy, I don't know if a low wall would safely handle that round.

 

It can. They did make a small number of them. That is also a dream gun of mine in that cartridge.

 

There are primarily three reasons. For the rimmed versions: easier to extract, and more positive extraction. For the rimless: more reliable feeding from a stacked magazine

 

Rims, shoulders, belts......................... headspace. Many/most of the early metallic cartridges were straight walled. As there was/is no shoulder to properly headspace the round, either a rim or belt was needed. Many/most of the so-called classic lever guns were already chambered in straight walled black powder rounds so the die had essentially been set. Along came the 30-30 which does have a shoulder but the custom was rimmed and so it went. The 35 Remington came on the scene a few years later designed for the semi-auto model 8. A lot of new design was ushered in with the model 8 so the adhering to custom cartridge was not necessary. Indeed, this new sporting rifle probably needed a new type of cartridge as well for marketing.

Those are my guesses. :smokin:

T.S.

 

Keep the ideas coming! I think the hole belted idea was great in the .375 h&h it does not have much of a shoulder to head space on and the 458 well she is straight. on other more modern cals it is a Marketing thing not really needed but it is associated with the word Magnum?
I guess what I am really trying to say here is a 35 Rem is a interesting cal it is a rimless made for a Auto it's first home, but adapted to a lever.

 

I believe it was the 1888 German Commission developing the 1888 Commission rifle, the first to employ a rimless cartridge. AC