I have no experience with this Remington factory load, but my handloads with the factory bullet worked well at near that velocity. Recoil is stout, but not terrible.

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Thanks!

 

What game did you use it on?

 

I shot one Kodiak Island blacktail buck. Broadside just behind the shoulder into the lungs - dropped at the shot, dead within a minute.

 

Rolling Block - ya - I handloaded the 405 Remington FNSP bullet to about 1650 fps via Reloader 7, and it did a great job on a mule deer at about 70 yards.

 

Nice. I wondered how that bullet might hold up at the higher velocities. Thought it might be a little soft and wondered whether it would hold together well or not at the higher velocity.

 

Is this ok for Trapdoors?

 

I don't think so.

 

Is this ok for Trapdoors?

Absolutely not. “Not for use in all rifles”

 

I load 405 grainers to around 1500 fps. Great accuracy. I didn't even know that Remington even made a full pressure load.
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I believe it's a fairly new offering from them. I've only seen them in the last year or two at the most.

 

Remington green box ammo is back on the shelves at my local gun shop.
Do you think these high pressure rounds would be to much pressure in a Marlin 1895 cowboy 45-70?

 

Good to go in the Marlin 1895.

 

They will be perfectly safe in any modern M1895. They are not high pressure cartridges, they are loaded to full SAAMI pressure. “Normal” .45-70 factory loads are loaded to well under SAAMI pressures.


The NRA once tested a factory load and found it developed 20,000 cup compared to the SAAMI MAP of 28,000 cup. That’s how Remington was able to raise the velocity by nearly 300 fps - they had 8000 cup to play with.









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Ditto what Rollingblock said. According to Buffalo Bore, their magnum loads are between 39k and 43k psi and are still considered safe in the 1895, albeit that's getting close to the threshold. So these are more than safe enough, but still offer a decent bump up in power over the anemic trapdoor loads.

 

Thanks M700. Just making sure!

 

Top end Marlin loads with the 405 bullets are not for those who are recoil sensative

 

Yeah, that’s true. I shoot a 405-grain cast bullet and a 400-grain jacketed, both at 1,800 fps. They both let you know when the firing pin hits the primer (but I love it!).

 

Top end Marlin loads with the 405 bullets are not for those who are recoil sensative

Yes, but the Remington Full Pressure ammo is hardly a top end Marlin load. They develop just 1600 fps, while Hodgdon’s lever action loads can exceed 2000 fps. That will absolutely get your attention!





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I'm looking forward to seeing the round's on the shelf at my local gun shop. So far I'm seeing a good amount of newly made Remington green box rifle round's. So far no 45-70 for my JM Marlin 1895 cowboy. I wonder what velocity I would get with the long 26 in barrel?

 

…I wonder what velocity I would get with the long 26 in barrel?

Since most factory velocities are taken in 24” barrels, you shouldn‘t expect much of a velocity increase, certainly no more than 50 fps - if that.




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Since most factory velocities are taken in 24” barrels, you shouldn‘t expect much of a velocity increase, certainly no more than 50 fps - if that.




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With the volume of a .458" bore you get pretty efficient burn of the powder in a somewhat short barrel, so there won't be a huge increase like with a small or medium bore magnum. But there still should be some increase. The 50fps estimate is probably pretty accurate, it may even be a little less than that depending on the barrel.

 

A good place to check velocity gain/loss in the 45-70 is on Buffalo Bore's site. Because the 45-70 is on the slower end of rifle velocity, their site shows that some loads are literally in the single digits (yes, less than 10 FPS) per inch of barrel length difference.

 

There is an interesting sticky in the 336 forum about this very subject. TnHunter356 is spot on.


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This is a 405 grain Remington Flat point taken out from under the skin on the far side of a pig. Held up well. 45/70 , 52 grains of H322. Approx. 1700 fps.

 

Perfect performance!!

 

At one time I owned both a Guide Gun and an XLR. I found that the Guide Gun lost an average of 96 fps compared to the XLR with my 405 handloads.

 

This is all great info, I have been looking for something faster than the 1300fps 405g from Remington, but not really a screamer from BB or an $80/box from Garrett. Anyone with experience hunting elk with these? Dark and thick timber, shots at most 100-150yds. Any comparisons of meat damage vs a hard-cast bullet?