I think some say that because that's what "they hear others say". I've been shooting .45-70's since I was 13yrs old. If it was all that bad I wouldn't have ever wanted my own. I've shot both pistol & straight grips and notice no difference!

I currently own the stainless guide gun.......I do load it hot sometimes.....but if you plan on shooting factory ammo it's a real ***** cat,

I got my son hooked on the .45-70 when he was 15yrs old.....he's now 18 and I just bought him one so he'll leave mine alone! ;D

 

Thanks for that six gunz, I actually prefer the look of the Guide Gun, but had considered the GBL in case it was true about the stock. Easier to get a Guide Gun too!

Have you posted any pics of your Guide Gun?

Cheers, Scott.

 

I have.....People are probably tired of seeing it already.... ;D

Here's a pic of the gun and the bear (one on the left) my son took with it in August 2009....he was still 16yrs old then. I taught him to reload and he loaded his own 405gr hard cast to give it the smack down!

 

I have an 1895 gs 45-70 and shoot and reload hornady 325 grain leverevolution ammo and find the recoil to be quite manageable. My rifle has a straight stock with the factory recoil pad. fine gun!

 

Thanks guys, Ive just been going through the 45-70 pics thread....... wow. Now I REALLY want a Guide Gun!

Cheers, Scott.

 

I fired both straight and pistol grip 1895s consecutively, and could discern no difference in recoil or shootability.

 

Neither could I.

 

I havent fired a GS Guide Gun, But Absolutley Love My SBL!!!
Dont find recoil bad at all!

 

i havent noticed a difference on either style, and i dont see why there would be, the buttstock is the same other than the grip.(they use the same receiver, just different triggerplates.)

 

From Clements Custom Guns web-site:

"I prefer to use the 1895SS with its pistol grip stock to build big bore rifles. It handles recoil much better than the straight stock."

I really don't have a preference, just yet. Still new to these rifles. Still learning.

Don't bother to do an internet search on the subject. You will just go blind! Ha!

 

The only difference I notice between the two grip styles is when I'm shooting from the bench. The angle on a straight stock hurts my fingers in the lever and sometimes the recoil will make my hand open the lever. I don't have that issue with a pistol grip or when shooting in a field position.

Key

 

If the recoil of both the straight stock and pistol grip stock are the same..i.e 23 ft lbs, the straight stock will give you more "felt" recoil. I have no use for a straight stock, then don't fit me, and are much slower for me to get on target. I've tried them, and I don't like them.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. 23lbs is 23lbs! How does one feel worse than the other!

Both stocks are the same thing...except a little more wood in the lower grip area of the pistol grip! A slightly different hold. A little easier on the wrist.

Having a different angle on you wrist with a pistolgrip does not make more or less recoil!

You can slide a pistol grip butt stock right on a straight grip frame!

A pistol grip butt stock can be made into a straight grip just by removing a small amount of material! Even the lower trigger plate from a pistol grip gun can be made into a straight grip!

Swany has done it and there is really very little material to remove!

I believe Wind has done it also.

Lay a straight grip butt stock over a pistol grip and you will be surprised at how little a difference there is! Except for where your last two fingers hold it ....they are the same! It's just a slight difference in wrist position.

Heck all you need to do a conversion is swap the lower trigger plate. The only difference is a little more material at the end where the last two fingers would grab the stock.

 

"the straight stock will give you more "felt" recoil."

Yep, Hal thats what I was kinda alluding to, although I didnt word my question that well.
As I mentioned, the .300 Winchester Magnum is also stated as having 23ft/lb of recoil, but Im tipping the 45-70 doesnt have the explosive jab in the shoulder that the .300 has. I least I hope not anyway.... :-\

As you can probably gather guys, Ive never fired a 45-70!

Cheers, Scott.

 

The GBL has a rather thick Decelerator recoil pad which I imagine makes a good bit of difference. I have one and shoot pretty hot loads and I don't have much problem with the recoil. Now, the muzzle jump is a completely different issue. For comparison, my brother had a 45/70 Ruger No 1 several years ago and when we shot light .458 Win loads it hurt like hell. Recoil pads have come a long way since then.

 

More felt recoil? Hmmm! I don't think so.

Only a big drop from the comb to the heel of a stock will make recoil worse! The pistol grip and straight stock are the same'

The steeper the angle of the drop from the comb to the heel, the more the shooter's shoulder and face will feel the effects of recoil. The gun will tend to jump up and back when fired, driving the stock top into the cheek of the shooter. A difference in drop from comb to heel of much more than 1" can result in a bit of a battering after a day's shooting.

Like I said 23 lbs is 23 lbs on these two Marlin stocks.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think so. 23lbs is 23lbs! How does one feel worse than the other!

Both stocks are the same thing...except a little more wood in the lower grip area of the pistol grip! A slightly different hold. A little easier on the wrist.

Having a different angle on you wrist with a pistolgrip does not make more or less recoil!

You can slide a pistol grip butt stock right on a straight grip frame!

A pistol grip butt stock can be made into a straight grip just by removing a small amount of material! Even the lower trigger plate from a pistol grip gun can be made into a straight grip!

Swany has done it and there is really very little material to remove!

I believe Wind has done it also.

Lay a straight grip butt stock over a pistol grip and you will be surprised at how little a difference there is! Except for where your last two fingers hold it ....they are the same! It's just a slight difference in wrist position.

Heck all you need to do a conversion is swap the lower trigger plate. The only difference is a little more material at the end where the last two fingers would grab the stock.

Exactly........Lou nailed it here!

The stocks are eaxctly the same except for wrist position....so if the SG doesn't fit you, then the PG wouldn't fit you either...... ???
How can one be worse than the other? I don't think so......again, I have felt no difference.

I can understamd a preference of the two grips from one individual to the next.

 

I've fired 300 win mags and 300 weatherby mag. I have three 45/70's and I don't think the recoil is even close. The weatherby mag I had I could not finish sighting it in when I first got it because I was hurtin so bad. To date the most I ever shot a 45/70 in one sitting was about 50 rounds and it didn't bother me. A little sore the next day, but not bad

 

I'm finding some of these replies comical.......slower target acquisition between the two? : ;D

 

I've fired 300 win mags and 300 weatherby mag. I have three 45/70's and I don't think the recoil is even close. The weatherby mag I had I could not finish sighting it in when I first got it because I was hurtin so bad. To date the most I ever shot a 45/70 in one sitting was about 50 rounds and it didn't bother me. A little sore the next day, but not bad

Thanks sandman, thats what I was hoping to hear.

Cheers, Scott.

 

Scott thank you for asking a great question my friend, I'm one of those that prefers the pistol grip type stocks. I've owned both the 1895 Classic and the 1895GS, I sold the guide gun and kept the 1895 Classic exactly because I could control the gun under recoil better with the pistol grip type stock. I don't doubt the other guys here, I think each person holds a rifle just a little different. The reason I say this is when I pick up a rifle sighted in by someone else it's not usually going to hit exactly right for me unless I adjust the sights a bit, maybe it's just me....smile. Scott I think you should try the one that feels the best and points the best for you when you hold it. Chances are that's going to be the one you handle the best under recoil as well and the 45-70 can provide you with plenty of that if you use heavy hand loads....smile. Best of luck to you my friend, keep me posted on what you decide.

Jesse

 

I find the straight grip stock more comfortable from a recoil stand point. After trying to figure out why I have come to the conclusion that it's how the butt seats on my shoulder. I hold my arm higher because of the wrist angle with a straight stock. This causes a more open and deeper pocket in my shoulder. I'm not saying that felt recoil is less in one over the other for everyone. I'm sure some notice no difference and some the opposite from my results. It would seem that with a PG your palm on the back of the grip could provide more resistance to recoil. I looked into this after shooting my GG and my NEF. Overall length and weight of the two are almost the same. I have similar pads on both as well as LOP. The NEF I find recoils harder. Not understanding why I looked into it and came to grip style conclusion and how it effects how I hold the rifles.
So I find that grip style can make a difference. It might not though for others. My conclusion is that it's an individuals anatomy that could affect a difference. Now that said, I still use both. The difference is not enough that I find the NEF to uncomfortable. It is just that I can notice a difference.

 

I think the difference in felt recoil between sg vs. pg stocks are minimal...

The drop of the stock would be a bigger factor...
Both styles have significant drop, they are setup to be used with iron sights..
The energy is more above your shoulder, not straight back at it..

 

More felt recoil? Hmmm! I don't think so.

Like I said 23 lbs is 23 lbs on these two Marlin stocks.

You are wrong.

 

Ok then. I guess that little knob of wood at the bottom of the grip has batteries in it or sumptin! ;D Now I know.

So I guess to reduce recoil in my pistol grip guns all I have to do is cut off that little knob of wood on the grip! And here I been buyin those dang expensive recoil pads!