Lots of extra stuff there

 

Your post is filled with non-sensical characters.

The 160 is a great bullet. In my 30-30 with the same load, it shoots 2" flatter @100 than a 170 flat point.

More accurate as well.

 

For 30-30 LVR lives up to the hype. It definitely gives a large velocity boost. I haven't used it yet but CFE 223 might be even better but haven't used it in 30-30

 

Oh this is interesting!

 

Thoughts, additions, correction? Lol

All great stuff to sit and ponder on a cold winter day! [emoji6]

All this is why handloading retains some black magic. [emoji3]




Vooch

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Every firearm is different. Every test barrel in every laboratory is different. Every lot of powder,every primer,and every run of bullets is different. Shoot for best groups with safe(very safe) pressures in your rifle. Published data is a guideline,it's going to vary. No deer will die any deader with a bullet going 50 fps faster or slower.



Rob

 

Just an FYI,
Factory Hornady Leverevolution ammo is not loaded with the same Leverevolution powder on the shelf.
It is blend they use.

 

Those dirty birds! Well this is good to know. Explains away most of my questions now.

 

I can't tell you for sure what's going on.
But it is not uncommon to see this kind of variation in
load data when comparing one source to another.

 

A lot of this discrepancy is decided by how influential the company's lawyers are.

 

Hylander

Just an FYI, Factory Hornady Leverevolution ammo is not loaded with the same Leverevolution powder on the shelf.
It is blend they use.

In addition to the information provided by our esteemed colleague Hylander, I wanted to post that I cannot ascertain (nor am I trying too hard to do so) from the OP if any brass in question is identical? or different... case volume.

 

Gentlemen-
This is a new member who came here to pose a question.
Several of the posts in this thread are walking close to the line
of being insulting.
I would advise going forward we keep it respectful.

 

Thanks for having my back on this. However, my initial post contained some glitches and hieroglyphs. I wasn't able to edit them out fast enough before some commented.

 

Some interesting info here. I've just loaded up a slew of LVR/160's, from min to max at .4gr. intervals and the same thing using CFE223. Anxious to try them out.

Tim

 

Just as anxious to know!

 

Case volume is one thing as Hornady uses Hornady cases and ? primers. Loading data id for Winchester cases and primers. Lever loading data is for a 24 inch barrel which may give another 100 fps. I have chronographed many loads and what is published and what I got were two different things. The Lyman 50 ED has more conservative result for Lever powder.
I tried an AA 2520 load in a 300 Savage that was supposed to give 2700 fps, barely made 2600. That was with an older Remington bolt and a 24 inch barrel. Powder manufacturers tend to be optimistic on their data.

DEP

 

My loads get the same FPS as my Speer bullet loads. The Hornady shoots 2" flatter with the same sight setting @100.

That's all I know but, generally, pointed bullets shoot flatter than flat nosed ones.

 

With federal brass my best load was 34.5 grains of LVR with the 30-30 ftx bullet and it clocked at 2315 fps ( Marlin 336 with a 20 inch barrel ). I tested this load on a hot summer day. 1/2 grain higher was getting too hot and things started getting sticky. When I first started working with LVR, on a cold winter day I did get all the way up to 37 grains of LVR but that load was WAY TOO HOT !!!!!! When I rechambered this rifle to 30-30 Ackley I settled on 37.5 grains of LVR but the Ackley improved case has more volume than the standard 30-30 case. I stick with 37.5 grains of LVR in the Ackley loads and the brass lasts longer. This was just my experience in one rifle. Your rifle may give different results and even ambient temperature can have an affect on a load causing higher or lower pressure from one day to another. I found that LVR can be temp sensitive. Don't trust anyone else's load in your rifle. It's too risky. Start at a safe point and work up your own load.

 

With federal brass my best load was 34.5 grains of LVR with the 30-30 ftx bullet and it clocked at 2315 fps ( Marlin 336 with a 20 inch barrel ). I tested this load on a hot summer day. 1/2 grain higher was getting too hot and things started getting sticky. When I first started working with LVR, on a cold winter day I did get all the way up to 37 grains of LVR but that load was WAY TOO HOT !!!!!! When I rechambered this rifle to 30-30 Ackley I settled on 37.5 grains of LVR but the Ackley improved case has more volume than the standard 30-30 case. I stick with 37.5 grains of LVR in the Ackley loads and the brass lasts longer. This was just my experience in one rifle. Your rifle may give different results and even ambient temperature can have an affect on a load causing higher or lower pressure from one day to another. I found that LVR can be temp sensitive. Don't trust anyone else's load in your rifle. It's too risky. Start at a safe point and work up your own load.

Billy, that is a good tidbit to bring up. LVR is a double based powder and double based powders are NOT temp stable. Single based are temp stable and even then, not all created equal.

For additional info regarding this and loading double based powders that are safe in summer heat, read this: http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/3...um/308-338-marlin-express/376474-308-150-load-help-post5375402.html#post5375402

Jack

 

I have had good performance with both the 160 FTX and the LVR powder. My groups tightened up and my rifle is flatter shooting. I stuck with the upper medium range loads and didn't have to change much from my first choice. I don't do "hot loads"....they tend to be a waste of powder in most guns. I also have used the LVR with 170gr Sierras and they shot well. I haven't shot a deer with the FTX yet so I don't know about terminal performance, but getting it there will not be a problem.

 

LVR powder has a very narrow optimum range. I've tested and use it,but it is not a flexible propellant. Too light a charge and she burns dirty,velocity is easily matched by cleaner burning powder. As I approach max,she overpressures rather quickly. In my rifles,there's only a 1.5-2.0 grain sweet spot. I am getting great results,though,in that narrow window. LVR groups are tight. I'm not going to give out my powder charges,they may not fit your purposes.
Of course,testing is part of the fun. I find the online Hodgdon data to be the most reliable.

As always,be safe.

 

LVR powder has a very narrow optimum range. I've tested and use it,but it is not a flexible propellant. Too light a charge and she burns dirty,velocity is easily matched by cleaner burning powder. As I approach max,she overpressures rather quickly. In my rifles,there's only a 1.5-2.0 grain sweet spot. I am getting great results,though,in that narrow window. LVR groups are tight. I'm not going to give out my powder charges,they may not fit your purposes.
Of course,testing is part of the fun. I find the online Hodgdon data to be the most reliable.

As always,be safe.

Spot on, Rob.

Although, there is a method to greatly increase the optimum charge range with precision case prep and the results open up fantastic performance results. When I debut my bullets I'll be discussing this at length.

Jack

 

Load them up shoot them through a chonoy that will tell you what is and what is not, chonoy do not lie !!!

 

I use LVR with FTX bullets in 30/30,32 Special and 35 Rem.My most accurate loads have been with max loads.I always get my max velocity over other powders using LVR.It does burn dirty.I never chrono`d at below freezing temps,but any velocity lost does not mean much at the 75 yard max shooting I get in the swamp behind my house.For me LVR powder and FTX bullets are the best thing since guns started shooting smokeless powder.JMHO,OB:bandit:

 

Been loading 160gr FTX bullets above 35.5grns of LVR for several years now for my 30-30. Im getting very good accuracy out of my 336 with a 20 inch micro groove barrel. Over my chronograph, I see between 2350 and 2400 ft/sec. This pretty much duplicates the factory Leverevolution rounds in both velocity and accuracy.Therefore, I'm pretty satisfied with this handload. It has preformed well in the field so far too. Shot one buck at 75 yds through both shoulders and exited. No tracking necessary. For those interested, I also use 165gr FTX bullets and 38 grns of LVR for my 32 Special. Accuracy is very good and I get great velocity (right around 2400 ft/sec). With these results, I really have no need to use any other components.

 

My 30/30 with LVR & FTX bullets turns in to a 200-250yd deer killer," BANG FLOP " !!!

 

Updated Load Data: 20" 336 30-30

Bullet: 160gr FTX
Powder: Leverevolution/AA2520
Case: Hornady
Primer: WLR
Temp: 40 F.
ALT: 750ft ABSL

Leverevolution Powder:

Ave MV and SD:

34.6: 2208 15SD
35gr: 2239 19SD
35.5gr: 2279 6SD

AA2520:

32gr: 2155 21SD
31.5gr: 2130 17SD
32.5gr: 2189 12SD
33gr: 2216 9SD

No signs of high pressure. Accuracy trials will be next. I think I've met the max I want to go with both these powders. Both are ball and both will raise pressure with temperature increases.

 

sometime back (been a few years) I did some 35.0gr of LeverEvolution and the 160FTX, while I did not experience sticky extraction, I did post here asking if these primers appeared to be pushing the edge of being flattened, I got a resounding yes from the members. Now like others, the 8th Edition of Honadys book is showing 37.0 gr max....I do believe I don't want to go there. Tried to find them cases to show, I'll keep looking.