If you're looking for loads not listed in loading manuals jusr drop an e-mail to the powder maker along with bullet ,weight, type of firearm, etc. I've done this successfully several times with Accurate, Aliant, and Hodgden.
I feel it's a safer method than some internet data.
GH1

 

If you're looking for loads not listed in loading manuals jusr drop an e-mail to the powder maker QUOTE]

Hodgdon doesn't make smokeless powder, but they may help you.

 

Of the cartridges mentioned, it would be best suited in the .30-06 with heavier bullets, such as 180 grains or more.

The other cartridges simply don't have the case capacity to utilize the slow-burning characteristic of this powder. Even in the '06 case, you would have a hard time getting enough in to have real pressure issues.

 

That pretty well sums up what I would have said...

 

outstanding in my 348 mod 71 win

 

I appreciate the posts so far...Brett

 

A 348 , good on you. I had a 71 for many years loaded cast and jacketed slugs for it to quote Frank Barnes " the model 71 was the smoothest lever action ever made". If you use the Lyman 250 gr. cast bullet use the gas check or it will shoot to the right.

 

I had better results with IMR4350 in the .348. The 4831 just didn't have the accuracy of the 4350, and velocity wasn't quite as high, though I was more worried with accuracy. But, that was in my rifle, and yours could very well have an affinity for H/IMR-4831.

Like 4895 in the .45-70, ya just can't get too much in there. Pressure will be relatively low, too.

 

I agree, it's mediocer at best for any of the listed cartridges, doable in the '06, 348 and maybe? in the 308?, it really is to slow for any of them, I have used it in my 270WCF and 338WM and don't care for it at all!?

 

it really is to slow for any of them,

This is probably the whole truth. But I have seen it give amazing accuracy in the '06 with heavier bullets.

In all fairness, I didn't try it in the .348 with the heavier bullets found in that caliber, but that powder's accuracy in my rifle was not a step forward with the bullet I did try (Hornady 200), though velocity was in the usable range.

 

A capacity load in the .30-30 will push a 220 gr. cast bullet to 1,900 f.p.s. with good accuracy.

A capacity load in the .45-70 under a 400 gr. bullet was one of the most accurate loads in my .45-70.
It did leave some partially burned powder in the barrel but that did not hurt a thing.

w30wcf

 

H-4831 really does good in the 270 and 7mag for me. It is also good in the 6.5x55 and 260 rem.

 

Again I much appreciate your posts and taking the time to do so....just what I was looking for.

Brett

 

Hodgdon's web site has an outstanding online resource for handloaders, their Data Center.

Their H4831 is shown to get 2700 fps with a 180 gr bullet from the .30-06, and I can attest to it being a very accurate load.

H4831 is a slow-burning powder. I've found it most useful in magnum type cartridges, but it also works well with the .30-06 and heavier bullets, say from 180 grains or so and up.

I don't see other rifles in your list that would be particularly well suited for this powder.

Hodgdon by the way is a seller of powder, not a maker, and yes, they sell MANY different types of smokeless powder, H4831 being one such. Many of their powders, Varget for example, are made in Australia and have different designations "down under."

Regards, Guy

 

Checked the Hodgdon website and they only list one of your calbers.

Hodgdon Powder Company Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 6/29/2013 data.hodgdon.com 30-06 Load Type: Rifle Powder: H4831 Cartridge Information Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 24" Twist: 1:10" Trim Length: 2.484" Primer: Winchester LR 30-06 Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads [HR][/HR] Maximum Loads [HR][/HR] Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure 175 GR. SIE HPBT H4831 .308" 3.300" 57.0 2535 38,300 CUP 61.5C 2719 44,400 CUP 180 GR. SIE SPBT H4831 .308" 3.300" 54.0 2447 34,700 CUP 60.0C 2710 44,300 CUP 190 GR. HDY BTSP H4831 .308" 3.220" 57.0 2514 44,100 CUP 61.0C 2668 50,000 CUP 200 GR. NOS AB H4831 .308" 3.300" 55.0 2427 42,100 CUP 59.0C 2586 49,300 CUP 200 GR. SPR SP H4831 .308" 3.230" 54.0 2436 43,200 CUP 57.5C 2577 49,400 CUP 208 GR. HDY A-MAX H4831 .308" 3.285" 52.1 2301 47,100 PSI 58.0C 2511 58,700 PSI 220 GR. HDY JRN H4831 .308" 3.230" 54.0 2342 43,300 CUP 57.5C 2458 48,600 CUP NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS T:biggrin: NY

 

According to Hodgdon,s preference list H4831 is for .270 Win.-.25-06 - .280 Rem. -300 Win. mag - 7MM mag. its a WW2 surplus powder. It is mainly for high velocity magnums. They also make it in 4831SC meaning short grains for much better flow through powder measures. Maybe someone would trade with you for a more suitable powder for your use. If you don't have any loading manuals I would suggest purchasing a couple my favorites are Speer, Lyman, Hornady, and Sierra makes a CD version. Maybe I am old school but I like a book in my hand vs. looking it up on some website you can have your book open to say .308 165 gr. page sitting right along side your press. Those ones you subscribe to you have to pay every year. Plus all these manuals have some other good info in them also. I am not an expert but I have been reloading for 38 years. Just my 2 cents.

 

Hodgdgon H4831 is rebadged AR2213SC.

Cross reference here:Hodgdon and ADI Powder Equivalents « Daily Bulletin

 

By the way, if you use Quickload and want to do a "what if" with a Hodgdon powder, I have found the the results are much more accurate if you use the ADI equivelent instead of Hodgdon.

 

Vic,
Been a while since I've played with it, but i recalled that as well.
Most recently in a discussion with MZ5, I don't think that QL has the ability to describe the burning rate of ball powder out of St. Marks.
Not sure why, but things just don't work quite correctly.

 

Hmmmm...nice to know. I haven't loaded much at all with ball powders. It seems my preference tends to run with the single-based stick powders, and as of late, the Vihtavouri products, based on the accuracy and cleanliness I get from them.

But they sure are proud of their stuff.

 

Vic,
Here is a "horses mouth" chart you may find interesting.

ADI Powders Handloaders' Guide

 

Is that a "burn rate equivalent" chart? I was under the impression that VV powders were made by Lapua. I also see a couple of VV single base powders that are grouped with double base powders (I.E., N135, H335, W748)

I know the only thing actually manufactured by Hodgdon's is the various Pyrodex offerings, and that Accurate Powder used to use various manufacturers and had a somewhat wide range of lot-to-lot variance for what they would accept as a burn rate. (They have since tightened their parameters and their powders are much more consistent lot-to-lot.)

I do like the ADI/Hodgdon offerings, and they usually are very close in accuracy to their IMR cousins, with neither iteration showing a real advantage over the other until temperature stability is compared. The only real exception I have found is my Ruger 77 .308 definitely likes the IMR version of 4895 over the H. I simply load it for cooler weather and avoid using that load in hot weather.

That is an interesting chart. Good information in today's powder market, given availability...

 

I'm lazy, so I did a cut and paste, the font got a bit messed up, sorry.

General Dynamics (American company that makes all Canadian-made IMR rifle powders, all Winchester Ball powders, some Accurates, and some Hodgdons)

ATK (American company that apparently makes all American-made Alliant powders)

Thales (French company that owns ADI, makes all of Hodgy's "Extreme" rifle powders, plus some IMRs)

Rheinmetall (German owner of Nitrochemie. Makes Reloder-17. Don't know about other commercial powders)

Groupe SNPE (French State-owned. Makes all Bofors (most of the Reloder line, and the Norma line), Vihtavuori, and Ramshot powders via their Eurenco layer)


So your choice is one of two american defense contractors(GD was brought in to help ATK with powder production at the Radford Arsenal), a French Defense contractor, a German defense contractor, or the French Gov't.


Unless they ACTUALLY post the allowed burning rate tolerance.... Most powders have at least a 5% range; meaning a possible 10% total swing.
Most powders used are blended lots of mil-surp, that's why lots swing so badly, and supplies are "tight".
As an example, CFE223, that powder began life a little over a decade ago. Goes by the name SMP-842. Based on some testing, early production CFE and current CFE aren't the same animal.

 

Ok. The Ramshot powders are one I've not tried, but I do hear good things about them. I've do like the VV powders I've used, but, sheesh, they want a premium for them.

The next VV I'm going to try out is N135 in my Garand. It seems to have fairly low pressure at the gas port, and if it is like the past VV powders I've tried, it will be nice and clean.

Anyway, I've sidetracked this enough. I'll let the thread get back to H/IMR4831. :biggrin: