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Found 336 Deluxe - worth the price?

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Found 336 Deluxe for sale - fair price?

Been looking for a new 336 locally here in Austin for a couple of days now. While trying to decide between blued or stainless, I found a used 336 Deluxe priced at $699.

The exterior looks flawless, but the rifle was locked, and I did not have time to inspect the action/bore. Does this price seem fair? Anyone know how these shoot compared to the standard 30-30 336?
 
#2 ·
It seems about right for the price, as thats what I found when I was looking for one last year. Some come with a rifle case, if the owner still has it. Good luck.
 
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Accuracy will be the same as any other standard 336. There was no "hand selection", as to barrels and rifling or bore sizes, but the action should be significantly smoother..........Thats, depending on if its a Marlin built, or a remington cobbed up DeLuxe model.
I'd not want it, if its a remington made gun,.............but thats just me...........Suffice to say, the 336 deluxes were just polished a little brighter, and the wood was a better grade, also the actions were tuned to be smoother with a little better lock work.
When Marlin North Haven entered into the Deluxe 336 program, things were pretty dicey with all the demands from remington and FGI, so I'd say look it over really well before you reach for your wallet........It very well could be a remington made rifle, but I don't really have any way to know, now.
The gunsmith that built most of the deluxe 336's in North Haven CT. was TOPS in his field, and came out of retirement to build the Deluxe 336's.......I hope you're looking at one of his rifles.

Tom
 
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I'm with Tomray on this question, as the two examples of this model I've seen just weren't worth the extra asking in my opinion. If you really want a nice, higher quality Marlin lever; then I suggest you search for an early Model 336A-DL or 336SD. These are great factory made rifles, somewhat rare in some configurations; and will hold their value if properly cared for. My personal preferences are for the examples of the above Models from the 1957-1962 manufacturing period with their special Bishop designed stocks. Presently on Gunbroker is listed a very nice 336SD in 30/30 (the seller has it mistakenly listed as an SC), but good luck if you go with the new Deluxe model; who knows, you may get lucky and get a really good rifle.
 
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It is, thats what i was told on here about a year ago, I know that it is a 336 A.....i was told by others that its a deluxe model b/c of the stocks and checkering....Im only going by what i was told. It was my dads gun he bought years ago for 150 dollars. He ended up selling it. Well i tracked it down and bought it back. That gun has one smooth action compared to my 336 CS
 
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Is there any surefire way to tell if the gunsmith who built it is the expert you're thinking of?

I'm assuming its a Remington-made rifle since it has the (REP) stamp on the barrel, seen here:

Serial # is 336DL15X, the only blemish I've found can be seen in the picture (small scratch on top of receiver next to front screw).

I'm pretty new to Marlin levers, so I'm not sure if this one is a gem or a flop from after the Remington buyout. Whats everyone think?
 
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Two ways to tell you ended up with a Remlin/Marlington:

The REP F Remington proof on the right side of the barrel:




And for "regular" guns, a serial number that starts with "MR":



Mine is a 336C and has both. (Lucky!!! ) Not many people here will admit to having bought a Remlin. Even fewer will dare post pictorial proof of it. Guilty as charged. Only guilty man in Shawshank.

I wrote about it in another post. Main problems here are the lack of quality in the blueing and attention to details in the assembly of ancillary hardware. The important parts such as the receiver, the barrel, the bolt and action are still top notch, compared to older Marlins. (I'm Comparing the Remlin to a 2008 336C, a 2004 336W, a 1992 336AW and a 1979 336A.) My Remlin was also more accurate than any of these older Marlins but the older Marlins were assembled by people who game a damn, and you can tell. My 96 serial 336W was a thing of beauty. Remlin doesn't always mean bad news though. (Just some times)
 
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If you guys were in my shoes, would you buy it? $699 no original case or paperwork

I haven't purchased it yet - on hold at the LGS.

Here's what I'm considering:
Looking for a 30-30 to hunt hogs with. Price isn't a major concern, but I don't want to end up overpaying for a mediocre rifle or find myself with a lemon. I like to shoot unique, well crafted firearms. Think I'd regret gambling on this one?
 
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"Looking for a 30-30 to hunt hogs with. Price isn't a major concern, but I don't want to end up overpaying for a mediocre rifle .... I like to shoot unique, well crafted firearms. Think I'd regret gambling on this one?"

I haven't seen the rifle you are considering; but based on the two examples I have seen, those examples would certainly be in the over-priced and mediocre quality category. As FYI, my 338MX has better wood than the two new deluxe models I've seen. Last week I purchased a 1957 model 336A-DL in 30/30 Win; this gun has the highly figured Bishop designed Monte Carlo walnut stocks with raised cheek piece. This is a very hard to find model; and I paid $630 for this classic and classy gun to include a desireable period Weaver scope. I can use this gun, and as long as I take proper care; it will hold its value and should appreciate (and especially now that Remington has established such a bad quality reputation with the new Marlin levers). The pictures posted by MrMarlin of his 336A-DL don't do the gun justice; and now that we have this new forum, I don't have a clue how to post pics of my other 336A-DL (it has been posted here previously); maybe some of the other guys who own one of these rifles will post a pic of their period 336A-DL or SD. There are also other Marlin "classics", but it is your money you are spending; so if you see these later deluxe models as having value, and as something you like and will be pleased to own and enjoy hunting with, then I encourage you to move forward. All some of us well-meaning old-timers are suggesting to you is that you may not have considered, or be aware of all your options; but good luck with whatever decision you make. Tom
 
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All some of us well-meaning old-timers are suggesting to you is that you may not have considered, or be aware of all your options; but good luck with whatever decision you make. Tom
Thanks for the great advice. I'm new to the lever community, and I feel that I'm certainly not aware of all of my options. Traditionally I enjoy buying new firearms, because I like being the original owner and knowing exactly how the rifle's been cared for. I wanted to purchase a new 30-30 before I found this Deluxe model, but I've heard several bad things about the new Marlins lacking quality. Could you suggest a few other new models that would be worth me looking into?
 
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Although I have a new 2011 Remlin catalog, there's nothing in there that appeals to me personally; and without exception, all the new Remlins I've seen had poor wood to metal fitting and the actions were stiff and sounded like they were full of grit. You impress me as a person who has the same kind of attitudes about his guns that I do; you recognize that you'll spend more time looking at your gun than you will actually hunting with it, so you want something that will be pleasing to look at. But you also want a well-made quality piece that will retain its value over time; and to get what it is you want, you're willing to pay, within reason, the cost of owning such a piece.
Realizing that everyone has different tastes, and that mine are often out of the mainstream; I'll share some of my thoughts and folks can take them as they wish. My personal tastes go to the less common models in Walnut and blue only; but I've owned and used an example of virtually every model and variation of the Marlin 336 action cataloged from 1948-2011; and I presently own 336A-DL's in 30/30 and 32 Special, a 1973 vintage 336A in 35 Rem, a 1977 vintage 336A re-barreled to 32-40 Win (these early 336A's all have a 24" barrel and half-mag tube), a 336SC in 219 Zipper, a M375, a 336ER, a 308MX, a 338MX, and I'm tinkering with a 336C that has been rechambered to 307 Win. Of those models, the 338MX is the newest (2009 manufacture); and if I could only own one Marlin lever, that would be last gun standing. The 338MX blends the best of the traditional lever gun with the latest in lever gun ammo technology; and the 338ME is an absolutely amazing lever gun round! A close second is the 308MX; both the 308ME and 338ME cartridges are amazingly accurate, and we have a few members here who've recorded one-shot kills with these cartridges at over 400 yards. The problem is that both models came on the scene as Remington was acquiring the gunworks; and some of the guns produced under Remington ownership are pathetically bad, so if you consider one of these newer Marlins make sure you understand your serial numbers and know what to look for in terms of potential manufacturing defects. These models have 22" barrels with short mag tubes; but are also available with 24" barrels in stainless steel and laminate stocks (MXLR).
The model 336ER is chambered in 356 Winchester (introduced in 1983). This model, and the Model M375 (introduced in 1980) and chambered in 375 Winchester, where shipped with 20" barrels and short mag tubes. These guns are quick handing, and both are devastating out to 200 yards are so; but with factory loads, accuracy becomes a challenge beyond that range. The 336ER is quite rare (2441 produced); the M375 less so, as about 16,000 were produced in that caliber; and both were last cataloged in 1986. Of the two, I personally prefer the 336ER.
The model 336A and 336A-DL's were produced from 1948 to 1962, and were chambered in 30/30 Win and 32 Win Special; with the 35 Remington chambering added in 1950. As noted, this model was dropped after 1962; but reintroduced in 1973 and produced in limited numbers thru 1978, but was only produced in 35 Rem during 1973 making that model/chambering very rare. The early 336A's (1948-1955) have traditional Ballard rifling and are not factory drilled and tapped for scope mounting (Marlin lever rifles first received Micro-groove rifling in 1956). The model 336A-DLs were "fancy" and more costly version of the 336A; and came from the factory with higher grade hand-checkered walnut stocks, factory installed sling swivel studs, a carry strap, and were better fitted and finished in the old fashioned gun maker's tradition. In 1957 Marlin contracted with Bishop stocks to design a custom stock for the 336A, A-DL, and the 336SC and SD. The A's and SC's now had a Monte Carlo combed stock, the SD the same stock with better wood and hand-checkering; and the A-DL, a hand-checkered Monte Carlo stock with raised cheek piece; often of fabulously figured walnut. It is the ladder model 336A-DL's produced from 1957-1962 that intrigues me; and nowadays examples are somewhat hard to find. And for what it's worth, it is my opinion that these early Marlin levers are tops as regarding quality standards in manufacturing.
If you prefer straight gripped Marlins, rare models would be the Deluxe Texan and the Marauder; both models produced in the 1962-1964 time period. Some of the Deluxe Texans have fabulous wood, and are extremely rare in 35 Rem chambering; but finding a DT for sale nowadays is virtually impossible. There are several commemorative and limited edition models such as the Zane Grey, the 336 Octagon; and various cowboy models featuring octagon barrels and period stocks. I don't have time to continue this essay; so the best recommendation I can make to you is that you study period catalogs for a listing of all available models; then, when you find something of interest, post your question here and someone will be able to answer all your questions. As to the desire to purchase a Marlin new, the only Marlin levers I've purchased new in decades have been the 308 and 338MX models, as I just had to have one now! But generally, I always buy used, as I have learned over the years how to properly evaluate a used gun. There is a sticky thread here by Tomray as to how a gun should be correctly assessed; but I always start by checking original finishes and screw slots. I don't mind some degree of finish wear provided that wear is from honest use and the gun is priced appropriately; but if a gun has buggered-up screw slots, that always raises a red flag of suspicion.
Again, good luck with your quest.
 
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Rachethead I can't thank you enough for taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge on the history of those rifles. You've answered several questions of mine without me having to ask them. Only one problem...



...you may now have one more person trying to buy some of the same rifles you're looking for!
 
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Hey Tom, is it possible the guys who built these may have stamped their initials on the barrel? I posted a question about this in the Collectors forum, but no replies yet.

This is on the left side of the barrel opposite the (REP) stamp
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From a Marlin North haven point of view, No.................I have no idea what that stamp is.

But, you say there is a REP on the right side, so that makes is a remington gun...........I can't begin to what that would mean, or why remington would take the time ($$) to stamp it.

Tom