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Cartridge Stop 1891, 1892

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#1 ·
The below parts diagram, shamelessly taken from the internet, show both a cartridge cut off and a cartridge stop. My 1892, 1905 vintage I think, doesn't have the recess for the cartridge cut off and it is known the early ones didn't have them.
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Mine also doesn't have the cartridge stop. And I cant see a place to install one and have never seen how it would have been installed. There is less internet discussion on the cartridge stop compared to the cut off.

I'm not sure if the stop was used along with/instead of the cut off. In reality I'm not sure they had a similar function. My assumption is that the stop stopped the next round from entering the receiver, butnthat is an assumption based on its name.

So, what was the function of the cartridge stop?
Where did it go?
What was the history? As an example, the originals didn't have one, later revisions added them, the cut off replaced them?

Thanks.
 
#2 ·
I see that Maman93 hasn't been able here for 6 months. I hope all is ok.

I have since seen a picture of how thecstopmwas installed, but the remaining questions are still unanswered in my mind.

I just noticed that the parts list/diagram i posted didn't have the cut off. Ill fix that in a minute.
 
#4 ·
John, the only thing I’ve ever read reference the Model 92 and the cartridge cutoff was here in this post on the Marlin collectors forum.

It’s a fairly long post on how to convert a Model 92 in 32 Colt to 32 S&W so I copied and pasted the pertinent info below. It doesn’t answer your questions specifically but it does shed a little light on the subject.

The early 92s would feed either the short or long colt in centerfire or rim fire (they came with 2 firing pins. One RF and one CF.) The selective feeding was accomplished thru a complex interaction of the carrier rocker and the lever. The surfaces that provided that interaction were prone to wear and most early 92s you encounter today will not feed short colts. Marlin recognized this defect and added a magazine cartridge cutoff that was activated by the bolt around 1906 I’m not sure of the exact date but the earliest one I have encountered with the mag cutoff was a 1906 gun. It’s easy to tell if a 92 has the cutoff as there is a screw in the middle of the left side of the receiver. The post 1906 guns with the cutoff will feed short colt rounds reliably.
That’s all the info I’ve ever found reference those parts.
 
#5 ·
John, the only thing I’ve ever read reference the Model 92 and the cartridge cutoff was here in this post on the Marlin collectors forum.
Thank you for that. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but when I get a new firearm I researche everything I can find on the internet. You take in so much and even with bookmarks can't remember where a specific piece of information comes from. What you quoted was my understanding, in concept, and I'm sure I have read that previously.

This particular firearm is frustrating in that the side plate needs to be on to function properly. But you can't really observe the interactions with the side plate on them. I read someplace where a user contemplated creating a lexan side plate so you could at least see some of the interactions. I wonder if that's not in my future. Not sure I could make it work either.

I'm not sure I ever thanked you, but the cases and projectiles you sent me were a huge help. I ended up replacing the barrel on mine mostly because it was cost effective and the original was a sewer pipe. The bolt was replaced because I was never comfortable with how loose the original was. Part of my issues May yet be getting a final fit on the new Bolt. I need to finalize the repairs on my magazine. It doesn't contribute to the problems, it just makes working on it more time consuming and frustrating.

Its beginning to sound as if, and i can't back this up, the 32 caliber rifles never used the cartridge stop. For one thing the relief in the receiver side plate required for the larger 32 caliber wouldn't allow its use. All speculation though.

I'm a little concerned that Marlinman93 hasn't been on this site for 6 months.
 
#8 ·
Wait, the magazine cut off is the piece inset into the left side of the receiver in your picture. The empty relief on the left side above the cut off is for the ejector. The cartridge cut off is recessed in the right side removable side plate. This is the picture i received on another forum.

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Might be an old thread but it is a good one. Ought to be a sticky.
Mm93 is fine. Just opted to leave after a dust-up. Some people get more licence than others regarding abuse from what I saw. Too bad for us all. Incredible resource!
That's too bad, hopping He comes back, can't imagine how that happened, even the most opinionated among us should have enough maturity to be able to have grace with each other's personality quirks.