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Any fans of the CZ75 / CZ85 ?

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#1 ·
Back in 1991, I came across, to my surprise, in a small shooting range in central New Jersey (of all places), a freshly-imported new CZ85, brought in from Czechoslovakia by Action Arms out of Philadelphia PA. I was very familiar with the CZ75 family's history and reputation at the time, but was unaware that a US importer was finally bringing new ones into the country, suddenly out of the blue.

I bought the gun on the spot. I always like being the guy that has something a little different, so long as it's a "good" different. I immediately loved the gun, despite its very un-sexy flat black enamel paint n bake finish. To me, the finish seemed like something that belonged on a BBQ grill, especially after I had been collecting gorgeous high-polish blued vintage S&W revolvers for years. Regardless of the CZ's "mil-spec" industrial finish, my Browning HP's, Sigs, Berettas, etc. began collecting dust for a while, as I bonded with the ergonomically perfect, extremely accurate and very soft-shooting all-steel CZ85.


My CZ85 soon became my go-to 9mm auto. And I began to scoop them up. Cheaply. Very cheaply. In the early 90's, no one could even pronounce Ceska Zbrojovka, let alone thinking to go hunt one down to buy up, and no one seemed to know a thing about the guns. Some of the snootier folks at one of the local shooting clubs back then called them "price-point Eurotrash." Some pretty clueless folks typically mistook my CZ for a Browning HP. Very few folks (other than Jeff Cooper) seemed to have a kind word about the CZ in the early 90's, but the hi-cap madness of the era which significantly ramped up the popularity of the 9mm cartridge, kept the gun in the public eye as a viable, less expensive autoloader option, more or less.

And so I ran around collecting all sorts of 'em on the cheap, enjoying them tremendously. I've never been one to take much stock or interest in the random opinions and preferences of others, if something just works for me.

I eventually came across some nice high-gloss blued variants, and that really made me smile as my little collection grew with some pretty nice pieces. The high polish blued finish on the older guns is excellent quality, when you can find it. Makes the guns look and feel as good as they shoot. Who even makes high gloss blue all-steel autoloaders these days, other than the Browning HP, in this new world of plastic or alloy frames.....

And suddenly the CZ revolution took off, a few years back. Now all sorts of folks seem to brag on the gun, and sing its praises. Used CZ's, early variants, are finally commanding higher prices and are competitively bid on and purchased in online gun auctions. The CZ75/85 now seems to have a solid, hard-core following. I give lots of credit to the internet lettign the story out of the bag, and the aggressive support of the primary importer now, CZUSA, for making that happen.

So here's a big salute to the CZ 75/85!!

Some of mine...Some older pre-b's, some transitionals, some newer B guns, one that I had custom hard-chromed, and a stainless variant....and a gloss 97B 45acp for good measure....

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#4 ·
YES. I absolutely LOVE CZ's. Just got another one yesterday (75 compact, 9mm, satin nickle). I've also got a fullsize 75B, plain jane, black paint, night sights, and a 82 surplus 9mak. I've had a few other surplus CZ's in the past, but sadly let them go for some reason or another.

Fantastic guns, and for the price, can't be beat. Fantastic ergos (especially for guys like me with small hands), good triggers, accurate as the shooter, reliable...

The only thing that irks me about them is that I have a hard time reaching the safety without having to adjust my grip, thought I usually just use my left hand thumb to do flick the safety while lining up my sight picture. I've looked at aftermarket/custom safeties, but haven't found anything that I'd want to actually put on my gun.
 
#6 ·
Two of the pistols confiscated from me in the UK by the government, following the Dunblane massacre of children by a perverted nutcase.

I enjoyed them both and shot them often.

Very strange in that I have never been a fan of the 9mm, I find it too imparts to much twist to the recoil in my hand.
 
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The Firearms Act 1997 made Dunblane even more tragic, because the loss of 17 innocent school children became a social and political tool for folks with an aggressive twisted anti-gun agenda riding a perfect storm, resulting in the loss of all firearms rights, stripped from tens of millions of law abiding people who were completely disarmed of handguns, even single shot 22's later on.

And yet, more school age children than that still disappear every single day. The gun ban did nothing to curb homicidal pediphiles like the one that committed that isolated crime.

In the US, over 800,000 school children go missing every year, that's 2000+ each day, and over 100,000 of them turn up as victims abducted and killed by a pediphile or similar predator, often found stabbed, strangled or slashed. So do we ban knives, rope and pillowcases, next?

The perpetrator of Dunblane had dozens of complaints lodged against him over two decades of abusing many young boys in the Scouts organization in which the perpetrator participated and helped organize. He was never prosecuted or investigated in all those years of all those complaints. Failed authority and government mismanagement of an acknowledged child predator's reported, repeated wrongdoings, not firearms, failed those children IMHO. If only an armed citizen had been there to put him down...

It will be a sad day when there are enough fearful irrational soccer moms, socialists, gun-hating democrats, raging oddball liberal nuts and such, to sign enough petitions and bolster enough political traction to get our guns removed from our culture, which was founded in the first place on the rights and liberties afforded us BY our gun ownership and our fearlessness in using them to protect ourselves and our way of life. When the face of our nation has finally changed so much by immigration, shifting cultural demographics, liberal media mentality, moral erosion, and such, eventually we as a nation will lose our knowledge and memory of the fact that our civilian militia (ie thousands of pissed off farmers with their rifles), not Washington's puny army, liberated this country. The folks here won't even know that some day, and they just simply won't care, becaue it will mean nothing to them. I hope that's not going to happen in MY lifetime, but I see the nation galloping in that general direction as fast as possible....losing our identity and substituting it for a new fabricated culture that has been lobotomized by cable tv and apple handheld devices....
 
#8 ·
I have one CZ 75 DC version and I really like it. Do not shoot it much since the 1911's get first nod. Nice collection!
Greg
 
#9 ·
Have had a CZ-75b for years. It's my go-to gaming gun. Arguably the most ergonomical steel frame out there and parent to more clones than most people can count.

I've had to wrestle it back from other people trying it out more than once.

Luckily mine came to the safe before they were 'discovered' by the gun gaming groups. Where CZ's consistently earn top places.
 
#10 ·
I have several 75B limited edition, and CZ 82's I use the 82 in the woods sometimes.I also have had to wrestle them back from friends at the range.
 
#11 ·
My cz-85 is the best semiauto pistol I own. That's not going to sit well with the 1911 or glock crowds, but I see it this way: those other guns are very good at certain things, probably better than the cz, but the 85 is kind of like a utility infielder. It does everything pretty well. It's a gun for the woods, you can conceal it if you need to, high capacity, super reliable, can be used to compete in a pinch, it's cool looking, parts are available, the trigger can be quite good, and on and on. if I only could have one this would be it...
 
#12 ·
I couldn't have said it better! I just click with these guns. I always wanted one, from the first time I read through "the CZ Family" publication by J.M. Ramos I bought sometime in 1990, and then I saw it featured in a shootout back in 1990, against all the other big names in 9mm hi-cap, in the excellent Guns n Ammo "Complete Book of the 9mm".

http://www.amazon.com/CZ-75-Family-Ultimate-Combat-Handgun/dp/0873645669
 
#14 · (Edited)
Same here. I have hangunnus collectoritis. One of each, please, and ten of anything that's really good....:biggrin:

And I still love the CZ's enough that I just felt like startin' up a post...

Gotta give honorable mention to my stockpile of Fabrique Nationale GP Comp HP's....the parkerized green Browning Hi Powers made and imported to the US only from 1987 to 1989, with a 6" barrel using an integral compensator barrel weight/front sight assembly that is clamped onto the end of the barrel, and a slick 3 lb factory target trigger with no mag safety interrupt! They're lazer guided blastwagons of the highest precision order and sick match grade barrels....

CZ vs Factory FN GP Comp ???

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#17 ·
I used to own a CZ-75B. It was a great shooter. But I traded it away for a new Browning BPS that my wife likes and uses for Turkey.

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CZ makes good stuff and great stuff. The CZ-75 is among the great.

M
 
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I fell in love with the CZ-75 the first time I picked one up..........but it was a danged 9mm, and I'm just not a 9mm fan. I kept sniffing around and finally found (almost) what I wanted.......An EAA Witness in the then-new 40S&W. The gun was a clone, not as finely finished, but solid and serviceable, and it taught this diehard revolver guy that he could shoot autopistols better than he thought. That gun got shot any time I went to the range, and often got too hot to touch several times in an afternoon. 40S&W brass soon became cheap and ubiquitous, and my gun shot cast bullets as well as jacketed, 140 grains up to 200 grains, and in my bowling pin shooting days, it gave the 45ACP shooters a run for their money with hot 200-grain handloads, and better capacity.

One of the best attributes of the CZ/Witness pattern guns is the inherent strength and safety factor, since the slide rails are enclosed inside the frame rails, not outside like the 1911. (Jeff Cooper was a closet CZ-75 fan, and suggested the Bren Ten be based on the same design....so it was.) I've put handloads through my Witness 40 not sanctioned anywhere (strictly in the interest of scientific research, mind you) and the brass didn't last long but the gun never once complained or hiccuped. My 40 Witness was given to Wingnut when he turned 20, but I still have three others......a pair of 45's and a 10mm, and they're not going anywhere.

But now that I'm without a 40S&W pistol......I decided to find a replacement, so a new CZ-75 SA is on the way, and it's taking forever. I'm really looking forward to getting this new carry gun. The ergonomics of a CZ, and the controls of a 1911. Nice combo!

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I should mention that I vastly prefer the thicker, original pre-2006 standard trigger that used to come on all CZ 75's.

Around 2006 or so, they changed to a very slim, very arched and curved "recurve" trigger as the standard trigger. I just can't shoot the newer guns with that little recurve trigger on there properly. It releases the sear at a point in its travel that is too far back toward the gripframe, and sometimes pinches the meat of my index finger between the back of the trigger and the gripframe. It is also a sharp, mean little sucker, and has lots of sloppy takeup and overtravel the pre-2006 prior trigger didn't.

I also notice that when dry-firing a CZ in each hand double-action, one with the old style trigger in one hand and one with the new style recurve trigger in the other, it is quite a bit more difficult to get the new recurve trigger gun to go off in my weak hand. The new recurve trigger breaks so late in its travel that I practically have to ball my hand into a fist to make it go off, compared to the ease of operation of the older trigger style.

FOLKS, THERE IS A REMEDY!!! SHHHHH don't tell anyone!

THE CURRENT PRODUCTION STANDARD CZ 97 TRIGGER IS THE OLD PRE-2006 CZ 75 TRIGGER. One and the same.

I ordered two CZ97 triggers and two fresh trigger roll pins from CZUSA parts dep't, along with two fresh Wolf hardened steel trigger return springs (the stock CZ75 trigger return springs from that era were very weak and can break at random rendering your gun inoperable, so CZUSA now has the improved wolf trigger return springs on hand for us). I bought a correct metric punch from a German tool supply company off the internet, for the tiny trigger pivot roll pin.

I removed the nasty little recurve triggers from my 2006 CZ75 stainless and my 2010 CZ75 Cold War Commemorative. I inserted the CZ97 triggers, a direct drop-in part, reassembled the guns, drove in and staked the pins, DONE DEAL!!! 10-15 minutes each.

I can't even tell you howm much better I shoot my CZ75 stainless and Cold War with the correct "original" pre-2006 triggers, especially since 99% of my shooting with my CZ's is in single action. The newer recurve trigger is only designed for really small hands, to "slightly" shorten the initial part of the double action pull from your first shot in double action mode, from hammer down position. I, however, carry cocked n locked, or 1/4 cock hammer down postion, so the recurve trigger only hampered the majority of my shooting.

And I never would have known if I didn't directly compared my older CZ's with the two newer ones! I just knew the newer two were way less enjoyable for me at the range and were irritating my trigger finger....


And in case someone doesn't know, you can date your CZ by the last two digits stamped on the slide directly behind the ejection port, on the flat recess directly above the extractor. A little "04" in there is 2004, "91" is 1991, etc.

Cheers!!
 
#23 ·
I should mention that I vastly prefer the thicker, original pre-2006 standard trigger that used to come on all CZ 75's.

Around 2006 or so, they changed to a very slim, very arched and curved "recurve" trigger as the standard trigger. I just can't shoot the newer guns with that little recurve trigger on there properly. It releases the sear at a point in its travel that is too far back toward the gripframe, and sometimes pinches the meat of my index finger between the back of the trigger and the gripframe. It is also a sharp, mean little sucker, and has lots of sloppy takeup and overtravel the pre-2006 prior trigger didn't.

I also notice that when dry-firing a CZ in each hand double-action, one with the old style trigger in one hand and one with the new style recurve trigger in the other, it is quite a bit more difficult to get the new recurve trigger gun to go off in my weak hand. The new recurve trigger breaks so late in its travel that I practically have to ball my hand into a fist to make it go off, compared to the ease of operation of the older trigger style.

FOLKS, THERE IS A REMEDY!!! SHHHHH don't tell anyone!

THE CURRENT PRODUCTION STANDARD CZ 97 TRIGGER IS THE OLD PRE-2006 CZ 75 TRIGGER. One and the same.

I ordered two CZ97 triggers and two fresh trigger roll pins from CZUSA parts dep't, along with two fresh Wolf hardened steel trigger return springs (the stock CZ75 trigger return springs from that era were very weak and can break at random rendering your gun inoperable, so CZUSA now has the improved wolf trigger return springs on hand for us). I bought a correct metric punch from a German tool supply company off the internet, for the tiny trigger pivot roll pin.

I removed the nasty little recurve triggers from my 2006 CZ75 stainless and my 2010 CZ75 Cold War Commemorative. I inserted the CZ97 triggers, a direct drop-in part, reassembled the guns, drove in and staked the pins, DONE DEAL!!! 10-15 minutes each.

I can't even tell you howm much better I shoot my CZ75 stainless and Cold War with the correct "original" pre-2006 triggers, especially since 99% of my shooting with my CZ's is in single action. The newer recurve trigger is only designed for really small hands, to "slightly" shorten the initial part of the double action pull from your first shot in double action mode, from hammer down position. I, however, carry cocked n locked, or 1/4 cock hammer down postion, so the recurve trigger only hampered the majority of my shooting.

And I never would have known if I didn't directly compared my older CZ's with the two newer ones! I just knew the newer two were way less enjoyable for me at the range and were irritating my trigger finger....


And in case someone doesn't know, you can date your CZ by the last two digits stamped on the slide directly behind the ejection port, on the flat recess directly above the extractor. A little "04" in there is 2004, "91" is 1991, etc.

Cheers!!
Wow...great post, good to know.

I have small hands, and have a VERY difficult time adjusting between the DA and SA triggers on the CZ 75's. My trigger finger just doesn't reach far enough to give me a good purchase on it. I solved this issue by carrying them cocked and locked :biggrin: Poor me, eh?
 
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Time to throw in some close-ups:

My first CZ85, a pre-B transitional piece with painted enamel finish; my custom CZ75B hard-chromed and trigger job by Pete Gunn in Largo, FL, with vintage waffle grips, bead blasted contours and polished flats; and my CZ75 pre B transitional, in factory gloss blue...

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A standard 1996 CZ75B in standard poly-kote black matte finish; my 2010 Cold War Commemorative with CZ97 trigger installed by me; and my 1999 CZ75 in factory "Glossy Black" high polished blue

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My 1990 CZ85 pre-B transitional, in factory gloss blue; my 2006 CZ75 Stainless with CZ 97 trigger installed by me; and a rare CZ75 "Retro" model with scalloped cocking serrations, spur hammer, and replica waffle grips by "VintageGunGrips".


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These guns have all been hand picked and weeded out over the years, and every one of them is a stone shooter. I keep em minty but they all get regular workouts, no safe queens here!

Now get out there and round up some CZ's, folks! We need more CZ's in qualified hands!