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A ups driver’s suggestions for shipping firearms

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A UPS DRIVER’S SUGGESTIONS FOR SHIPPING FIREARMS | Western Shooting Journal

As a gun owner and an 11-year UPS driver, I get a lot of questions from people regarding the safest way to ship and insure firearms through UPS. Theft of firearms and other items by UPS employees, ‘though rare, unfortunately does occur, but there are a lot of surprisingly simple and inexpensive ways to virtually guarantee that you won’t be a victim. Please pass this information along to anyone who may benefit from it.

There are two things that cause thefts from UPS – pilfering and over-labeling. Pilferers are mostly thieves of opportunity. Handguns, jewelry, cameras, and prescription narcotics are their favorite targets because they are easily identifiable and can quickly be shoved into a pocket or inside of a shirt, due to the SMALL SIZE of the packages they come in.

The red and black “adult signature required” (ASR) labels that are legally required to be placed on these packages are often a dead giveaway. These labels are also called “steal-me sticker,” because thieves look for them. Most UPS facilities are fenced, and employees’ belongings are subject to searched exiting, so the size of the item is critical.

The BEST way to protect your handgun is to simply put it in a big box. One gunsmith on my route “disguises” his handguns by putting them in used Amway boxes! This works VERY well. Look at the box you are shipping your handgun in. If you can stick it inside your pants or under your shirt easily, it is vulnerable. As far as the ASR labels, you are required by law to have them on firearms shipments. What many customers don’t know, however, is that they can get a more discreet ASR label that is incorporated into the UPS tracking label. These are better because the words “adult signature required” are very small and unnoticeable. More importantly, this barcode will electronically “prompt” the driver at the other end to get a signature. In case he accidentally tries to “release” the package on the customer’s porch without getting a signature. He will be unable to do so because the DIAD (that electronic clipboard that you sign) will read the barcode and will force him to get a signature in order to complete the delivery. You can order these special tracking labels through your Customer Service rep, or you can print them yourself with the UPS shipping software.

Another more sophisticated method of theft is “over-labeling.” This involves several conspirators who plan ahead and may get jobs at UPS for that very purpose. What they do is to print up a bunch of fake labels, with generic barcodes and phony return addresses, that are all addressed to a storage unit or apartment that they have rented in advance. One or more employees who are sorting and processing these packages will then slap the phony label over the authentic one, and the package will then proceed along its merry way to the “destination,” where an unsuspecting driver will deliver it to another accomplice who signs for it using a fake name. This will go on for a week or so until the thieves move on to another address to avoid suspicion. Since the original barcode is covered up, it is impossible to even trace these packages and they simply “vanish.”

The thieves who do this will also target handguns and jewelry but, since they are not trying to sneak it past a guard, they have the freedom to target larger packages, such as rifles, TVs, and computers. How do you avoid this?

It’s simple. You put an address label on ALL SIX SIDES of the box. A package so labeled will be passed up by a prospective thief, since he must now try to cover up six labels instead of only one. This is too risky, since the areas where these packages are sorted are often under electronic surveillance.If you are a gunsmith or store owner who ships UPS, and the package you are shipping is worth over $1000, inform the driver who picks it up and have him initial the pickup record. These “high value” packages are audited and are segregated from other packages. They are not sorted or run over conveyor belts, and they are subject to a chain-of-custody type of procedure that will prevent their being stolen. I feel 100% safe in saying that a handgun that is shipped in a larger-than-normal box of good quality, with a discreet ASR barcode, and with address labels on all six sides will NEVER get stolen or lost.

It’s unfortunate that a few of the 16 million pieces a day that we ship are in danger of being stolen but, if you take these simple precautions, you won’t be a victim.
 
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Excellent. Many thanks. I coppied this to a file with enough keywords I will be sure I can find it the next time I have to ship a handgun back to the manufacturer.
 
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Mods - I respectfully suggest this be made a sticky on the Handguns forum.
 
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Montezuma,

Could you reference the Federal law that states an ASR is required for a firearm, or that a person must disclose the fact the item is a "firearm" to the shipper, and that the box must be marked as such.
When I recently shipped a revolver to Ruger for repair there was no notification on the label, which was sent to me by Ruger, that the package contained a firearm, and the UPS employee in the store didn't ask so I didn't tell him. I guess the ASR notification was on the label; I didn't look that closely. Of course, I did sign when the gun was returned - less than a week later.
 
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A big box lets you wrap a gun with plenty of padding when I read about guns being damaged during shipping I always ask to see the packaging. If
It's shown it's always too thin. Consider a 6" cocoon of foam or bubble wrap to be a safe amount for a long gun and 3" for a pistol.
 
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I was going to ship a pistol to a gunsmith in a small town about 115 miles from me and was told by a ups shipper that it was going to cost almost $40.00. I ask them why so much for that short a distance and was told it was a law that it had to go overnight air. I said this is a little hick town and I don't even know if they have an airport so you're telling me they're going to fly it there? The guy stuck to his guns so I just left with my pistol. Counting the $40.00 the gunsmith was going to charge me to ship it back with a 4 to 6 week turnaround, I drove it about 133 miles to Springfield arms, had the work done in about two hours and headed home. Probably saved about $60.00 in the process.
 
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I know its old thread but I encountered this a few weeks ago shipping a handgun thru ups. I send long guns thru them for an avg of 21 bucks with insurance. So thinking a handgun would be simple, I was flabbergasted of the price for pistols and still don't know why. I went there to ship the pistol out for work to a smith. I was told it would be 137 bucks. I said why after I got up from the floor from shock. she said handguns had to go overnight air and that was why so much. They could not explain why, so I took to my ffl guru and he sent thru postal service for pennies on the dollar. however when the gun was shipped back it come back ground UPS. Was this done incorrectly by the shipper that returned it to me? if so why can an ffl holder ship ground and I cannot on pistols. I see no reason of why pistols are done like this and not long guns. So if anyone reading has an explanation for this absurd cost I would love to know why. It just don't make sense to me how rifles can go ground for 20 bucks buy a pistol is Air. just cant seem to find a answer to this that makes sense. Surely I could have sent it to them and declared it a rifle and packaged it like one,but then again my luck been inspected and then me arrested. But then again I have this feeling that Prison is not my cup of tea as I don't think a cell even if it is larger than say a ground blind that I can sit in all day would be the same as a prison cell, no what I mean...
 
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An FFL has to ship two day air, it is the law. All the wholesalers have to abide by this also when an FFL buys from them. Consequently ATF don't want handguns bouncing around in many stops for to many days on a truck. I use either FEDX or UPS. All firearm deliveries also have to be signed by an adult to receive the firearm. Again it's the law.
 
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Gotta love the logic government officials use (not). I see no reason why any firearm needs to be advertised for shipping. It's harmless. No different than shipping engine parts. The reason the cost of shipping is so expensive is because the bureaucrats want it expensive. All part of a much bigger picture IMHO. Ironically in Canada it's not as bad as the numbers I see from you folks though I am sure that will change soon enough. We still require labeling on the package ('steal me notices') which again, is completely unnecessary.
 
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Good information. I only had one gun stolen in all my years and this particular one was shipped by UPS and it went from an FFL back to Smith and Wesson factory for repair. A 41 magnum revolver . The box arrived empty at the factory. FBI was informed as it was interstate theft of a firearm. They never found it. I got insurance money for it and was able to buy another one that was actually more nice. They said it was an inside job.
 
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To answer why all the laws, rules and regulations are necessary for U.S. citizens to ship their firearms between two places of their choosing...
It’s very simple: the BATF is an un-Constitutional government agency. The laws relating to firearms ownership and commerce passed by Congress attempt to legitimize their un-Constitutionality.
But then again, when has the U.S. Constitution EVER prevented the U.S. government from getting exactly what they want: total control of every citizen.
R/Griff
 
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Find a very big box from a hot-rod four barrel carburetor, go to an auto parts store or hot rod shop, they will have an empty one. I've used them to ship all kinds of valuable items. When I get to the UPS or US Mail facility, I insure it as an expensive auto part, and claim the value at $800 or $900. Packages like this are handled carefully. Thieves don't want a big, expensive Holley carb, there's no money in it. Been doing this since the 1970's and I have never had a package go missing.