Never did it, but I run lead hotter than that and it holds together on deer/elk. IF you are running a JHP, they will probably expand a bit violently. A JSP may just mushroom as designed. IF you hit bones, stuff happens that doesn't happen when you hit ribs. Another thing, you are reading published muzzle velocities. Those bullets have minimal B.C., so will shed a lot of velocity at any decent range. That should work in your favor. Good luck and keep us posted.

Jeff
NRA Life

 

I use Hornady 200 GR RN, (.358) #3515, alot better for hunting, I use the smaller 158 GR FP/XTP, (.357) #35780 for killing tin cans and targets. For the 158 GR bullets I load them at reduced powder charges, since I am not hunting with them.

 

I have not run lead fast through my .35 Rem, but plan to...

So far I have been shooting low doses of Red Dot for plinking, but do plan on stepping up the velocity soon to get read for fall...

Bullets are Penn TCBB 158gr hard cast...

 

My 356Win runs lead at very near 2500fps - I don't have the files right in front of me. I remember something over 2500 with 180's and 2447 with 225's.

Jeff
NRA Life

 

I went out and shot some 158gr loads today. They grouped very nice at 50yards. About 1" center to center. Thats using the factory sights and my 68 year old eyes. They should shoot fine out to 100 yards BUT my big concern is will they hold together on flesh or will they break apart? I would really prefer 200 gr bullets but no one has any right now. I'm shooting some lead 200 gr bullets but I'm concerned that they will not expand at all.Does anyone have any experience with lead that brinnels at 22 on deer? Dont know why bullets are so hard to come by for this gun right now. FRJ

 

Powder Valley, Inc. Has .358" bullets and www.midwayusa.com has blemish .358" 200gr. polymer tips "FTX bullets" Search results for: 358" blemish

I don't use pistol bullets in my 35R. at this time I'm hooked on HDY's .358" 200gr. FTX. bullets. Like others said you can find .358" bullets online.

T:hmmmm:NY

 

The elk I shot with a 32WSPL and a 183gr cast bullet didn't know if the bullet expanded or not. Your 35 should do much better with your cast bullets. I would put it through the shoulders if that were the shot presented. Break the bones and you won't care if it expands or not, after all it is a 35cal hole to start with. I hunt almost exclusively with cast bullets and have not had a faliure yet. Enjoy!

Jeff
NRA Life

 

What brand of bullets are you using that are BHN 22? I presume these are some commercial cast bullet?

You can't find, among others, the 180 Speer, the 200 Sierra RN, the 200 Hornady RN, the 200 Remington Core-Lokt, or the 200 grain Hornady FTX? I would think one of these would be available, and even a very modest amount of searching will net you several sources for these bullets. I'm having a hard time believing absolutely nothing can be had, and that you're forced to use a second rate bullet.

A quick search reveals the following:

35 Caliber (.358-.359) | Rifle Bullets | Bullets | Brass & Bullets | Reloading Supplies |

Problem solved!

Hard bullets will respond with some fracturing of the nose of the bullet at high impact velocities, whether cast of linotype or any high antimony lead alloy, or even of heat treated wheelweights, which are considered to be more desirable. At more modest, 45-70 type velocities, the heat treated lower antimony bullet (wheelweight) will penetrate without fracturing and will only widen any flat meplat that is present.

At 44 magnum revolver velocities, both linotype and heat treated wheelweights will penetrate the target with only modest to no deformation and pretty much no fracturing whatsoever. So how well a cast bullet responds to impact depends upon what it's made of and how ductile it is and how fast it's going.

A 35 Remington rifle at standard velocities makes a good deer gun when using a bullet cast of simple, air cooled wheelweights. These are BHN 12, or thereabout, and this expands just fine at close to moderate ranges.

 

FRJ

Swany loads and shoots the 180 Hornady XTP in his 35 Rem with great results. It is a pistol bullet.

 

Hi 35Remington and others, I have looked at all the stores in my area that includes 2 states. NONE of them have any 35cal bullets. Midsouth has had me on back order for 200 of them for over 2 months. On top of that paying over $10.00 in shipping on a $25.00 box of bullets seems kinda bad to me. The Sportsmans warehouse near me has an isle thats probably 30 feet long and 8 feet high filled with bullets of 4 or 5 brands and not one box of 35's!!!! A friend of mine shoots both a 358 win and 35 Whelen and cant get bullets for either one of them. As for the 22 Brinell they come from Montana Bullets. Great bullet, very consistent and very nice workmanship. I'm just worried about them not expanding. Since I don't have to hunt with it I think I'll just keep it for varmints and shoot the lead. FRJ

 

IF you just keep it for varmints, you will be missing out. Step out of the boat, or get outside the box, and join the fraternity of cast bullet shooters/hunters who really appreciate a good cast bullet.

Jeff
NRA Life

 

Given that the desirable bullets are available, you must do what you have to do to get them. If the order is large enough, some of the distributors will pay or minimize the shipping fee. Even if for some strange reason you only want one box of bullets (which doesn't seem wise given the "drought" of supplies in your area) you've probably spent enough time, gas and money looking in "all the stores in my area that includes 2 states" for nonexistent bullets to have, in effect, "paid" any shipping fees by now.

Time to do what you have to do. Send out to the posted links for several boxes of bullets.

 

Still don't know what kind of bullets you have. Are the Montana casts round nose or LBT design. Cast bullets do not depend on expansion to be effective. Weight and nose design is most important. If these casts are of the LBT design they will work very well on all game. If the alloy does allow some expansion that that is a bonus. The higher BHN of 22 does not mean these bullets will break apart. That depends on the alloy which determines the ductile properties of the alloy.

As to the Speer bullets, what are they? Defense bullets or hunting bullets? There is a difference and Speer makes both. If they are the older Gold dots or the new Deep curl, I know several who load them hot in the 357 mag at 1800-plus fps and they work just fine. I see no reason they wouldn't work okay up around the 2000 fps range. Last but not least, one doesn't have to drive their loads at full power to be effective.

 

I've never shot a deer with the 158 gr .357 bullets, but I have shot 3 with the Hornady 180 gr SSP bullet. This is a bullet actually designed for the 35 Remington handguns like the TC guns. Don't use this bullet in your Marlin because of the spire point. I use it in my Remington 760 pump. I load them to around 2400 fps and they do expand a bit violently, but all 3 deer have been one shot kills.

I think if you load the 158 gr to moderate velocities, say 2000 - 2100 fps, and you limit your range, they should be adequate for deer sized game. They wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't have a problem using them.

 

158 hp xtp 357 bullets

I've never shot a deer with the 158 gr .357 bullets, but I have shot 3 with the Hornady 180 gr SSP bullet. This is a bullet actually designed for the 35 Remington handguns like the TC guns. Don't use this bullet in your Marlin because of the spire point. I use it in my Remington 760 pump. I load them to around 2400 fps and they do expand a bit violently, but all 3 deer have been one shot kills.

I think if you load the 158 gr to moderate velocities, say 2000 - 2100 fps, and you limit your range, they should be adequate for deer sized game. They wouldn't be my first choice, but I wouldn't have a problem using them

 

I've taken 2 deer in the past using the 158 grain Remington 158 grain JSP loaded to just shy of 1800 fps. One was a neck shot that shattered the spin at about 40 yards, dropping the deer on the spot and the other was at about 80 yards through the boiler room. The 80 yard shot completely destroyed the heart lung area and passed through with about a 2 inch exit. That particular deer stumbled about 15 yards before piling up. Odd thing is I shot a doe last year with the 357 maximum using one of ranch Dogs 190 grain bullets at about 120 yards and that deer dropped like she was pole axed with a complete pass through. So these bullets do work but like anything else one has to know their limits and stay inside those parameters.

I've thought about using the Hornady 180 grain SSP in the Maximum to extend the range but haven't gotten around to it. With my shooting ability at my age I limit the 357 Magnum to 100 yards and the 357 Maximum to 150 yards. I don't think the OP would have a problem with the bullet weights he has but since the design of the bullets is still unknown I can't say for sure.

 

I will second Gohon....I shoot the ranch dog 190gr/gc from carolinacastbullets and have no need for another....they will drop your deer on the spot...and occasionally when one ducks into the brush there is always an easy trail and its short...try em..

 

FRJ

Midwayusa shows they have 200 Hornady RN and Speer 180 FP in stock for the 35 Rem. Get some.

 

Well...........here ya go.......you can't beat these prices and if you don't get them you have no one to blame but yourself.

35 Cal(358 Diameter) 200 Grain Soft Point Flat Base Box of 100 (Bulk Packaged)

 

Those bullets aren't suitable for the 35 Remington, in any type of action. The velocities needed for them to work are outside of the cartridge's capability.

I have several links to currently available, desirable and correct jacketed bullets posted in a post on page 1 of this thread.

But you know what they say......"you can lead a horse to water, but....."

I find it odd that the OP is willing to take a chance on an unfamiliar cast bullet design of unknown hardness and performance in his rifle, or less suitable pistol bullets of inferior performance. He's now passing up readily available jacketed bullets of known and proven performance, but then I thought the whole point was to locate the correct jacketed bullets in the first place.

Apparently the searched for criteria has changed. I cannot help but comment on that.

 

I don't load, shoot or own a 35 Remington but just out of curiosity, what makes those bullets unsuitable for the 35 Remington? Just curious.

The nearest store for me to get reloading supplies is 35 miles from my home. Just one round trip would cost as much in gas as paying for two shipping orders from a supplier on the Internet, not to mention I'd have to pay taxes at the store. I can't even imagine driving all over the state much less two states when I can order cheaper from the comfort of my desk chair........but that's just me.

 

From actual testing and use, these stop expanding at speeds where the other RN's of identical weight still expand well. The cannelure is also in the wrong location, as crimping in it will result in an OAL too long to work through the action.

 

Of the bullets offered, and since the 200 Remington Core-Lokt is not on the menu, I'd list the 200 FTX as the "most desirable" of the bunch.

 

35rem, i don't recall what you said about the 200gr sierra in yer excellent article. i usually find sierras shoot tighter'n most in t'other calibers; 'n have adequate terminal performance, but what about yer tests on them when you were comparin' the whole bunch? i ain't kilt nothin' with mine yet, so i jist have other folks' write-ups to compare with. anyway, i got a line on a box of 'em cheap, and wanta know whether to pursue it.
mind yer topknot!
windy

 

Just found my old Hornady Silhouette Loading Manual from the early '90's.

Marlin 336SC, 35Remington, 158gr JHP, Federal 210 primer, 35gr IMR3031, 2070FPS

MAX: 37gr IMR3031, 2200FPS

just an FYI -

Jeff
NRA Life

 

Deadly loading, great for whitetails with in 50 yards in my case.

 

The Sierras were superior to the 200 RN Hornadys in terms of working at 35 Remington velocities. They still expanded at ranges where the Hornadys did not, despite the visible skiving on the jacket of the Hornady. It is located on the wrong spot, as it is well behind the curve of the meplat/ogive and does not help when strike velocity gets low.

The Sierras lack any skiving, which is a detriment to expansion uniformity, but the larger opening in the front of the bullet allows expansion at lower impact velocities. I would select the Sierra over the Hornady RN every time. If a low price is being offered, buy them. If shots out to a possible 200 yards are contemplated, keep the muzzle velocity up somewhat, exceeding normal factory speed by 100 fps or so. Such is no great burden to accomplish.

 

I have been reloading and using 158gr jhp Horns in my Marlin 35 Rem on deer in Wisconsin for many years....NEVER lost one...my load is...34.9grs 3031....3 shot avg is 2135fps. At 60 yards is a one holer...