Very well stated. 35 Remington is my favorite caliber. I truly hope the 360 Buck Hammer exceeds the 35 Remington's performance in every way possible.

 

It doesn't need to beat the 35rem. It just needs to be as good as the the 35rem. It is developed to circumvent those ridiculous straight wall laws. If you already have a 35 and it's legal to use where you hunt, then you have no need for the new 360. But, some people don't have that option, that's why it exists.

Yes, I think Marlin should chamber this cartridge as soon as Remington/Henry will allow them to do so. I think it is senseless for Marlin to invest resources in cartridge development right now, but a new clambering would help boost their sales.

 

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

We found out in a previous thread that Remington's 360 BH velocity claims are based on a test rifle or test receiver that had a 24 inch barrel. When gun writers chronyed the 360 BH with a Henry 20 inch barrel carbine, the velocities are about the same as a 35 Rem shot from a 20 inch barreled carbine.
I have surpassed the advertised 35 Rem velocities with my hand loads in 20 inch/24 inch barreled Marlins and also in a 22 inch barreled Rem 760 pump rifle. I don't need to buy a 360 BH rifle since I live where the hunting regs aren't restrictive. For those who live in those other areas, the 360 BH should be a good option for a very capable legal hunting cartridge.

 

What RET-ENG said!!!!!!!..........Lots of hype and BS out there about that little cartridge. Verses real world use and rifle crono'd velocities.........Not gonna buy one......My 336SS LTD in 35 in all I need. Pic from the past.

 

Well, I’m going to show my ignorance here I guess, but is this another one of those new AR platform calibers?

 

Nope. A new straightwall lever gun cartridge designed by Remington (and partnered with Henry for the rifle) that was unveiled at shot show this year.

30-30 parent cartridge blown out toa straightwall that shoots .358 bullets.

 

If marlin dropped the 35 rem and replaced it with the 360 bs. I would be greatly disappointed..

 

Me too.

 

From SAAMI specs. What the Buckhammer brings to the table is a cartridge case that fills the 1.800" straight case requirement of some States' game laws, something the old .35 Rem can't do. A limited market for sure, but bound to gain a larger following. Just cut off a commonly available .30-30 shell, full length size and you're ready to load and do the minimum fireforming. Ammunition supply will only affect non-reloaders, but they're affected these days, anyway. Regardless of what the old, beloved .35 Rem does, look for this new chambering to become popular. BTW, the factory spec for twist rate is 1 in 12". Twist rate for the .35 Rem is 1 in 16".

 

That's interesting. I wonder what the data will be.
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Too many calibers, so little time.

 

I think you guys would agree with me that the 35 Remington isn't going anywhere. With the popularity of vintage Marlin rifles at the highest point ever today there's always going to be a need for this caliber. For us that reload we're in good shape. As I said above it's my favorite caliber there's nothing I would rather have in the woods. And I don't care what caliber out there has better ballistics or is the new kid on the block. I like the old stuff.

 

I think it is a good thing for hunters obey their state big game hunting regulations.

 

I was lucky enough to find a NIB Marlin XLR-35R that was sitting on a shelf for a few years waiting for me. I already have a Rem 760. 35R, BLR 358W., Win. 94AE 356W., Marlin 336 35R. too.
I guess if in the future I should move or go hunting in a state where a rifle cartridge in 360 Rem. or similar is the law I might consider one.
For those who say they don't like a Henry, I heard Ron Spomer Outdoors said he heard that Ruger might be coming out with the 360 Buckhammer in 336 line up.
TO NY🗽

 

Yes, the 35 rem is not going anywhere, it is an excellent cartridge as long as you understand its limits and usefulness. But, the reality is that fewer and fewer new 35s are being produced each year and soon enough it’ll be ranked “obsolete” just like the 32special.
The new 360 buckhammer makes a lot of sense with the 30/30 as the parent cartridge, brass is easy to produce and there is ample supply(relatively speaking). This bodes very well for reloaders and factory ammo. If the 360 is successful, this should also increase the supply of reloading components, namely bullets, which are also hard to find for the 35 caliber crowd.

 

Said "they might "come out with a Marlin in the 360?

 

I am ambivalent on this whole Buckhammer vs 35 Remington thing. If I was starting fresh, I'd give the Buckhammer a whirl. Ammo & brass for it will be much easier to find than 35 Remington, at least for awhile. And unlike the 35 Remington, there's an endless supply of brass available from the 30-30 case. No funky little shoulder to sort out, either.

As it stands, I have an old Ballard rifled 35 Remington and enough components to keep it going for years. I am loading it to 30-30 pressure and matching the Buckhammer's stated ballistics, with zero strain on the 336 and at 10.000 less PSI- and it's shooting really well. No way I'm kicking that to the curb, for an unknown.

I do hope some of you try the Buckhammer because I'd like to read some credible end-user reports, as opposed to infomercials from manufacturers and their paid advertisers.

 

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

At the ranges I hunt and shoot at there is no advantage to going faster. What has worked fine for 118 years still works just as well today. This continually reinventing the wheel is just another way to increase interest and profits. No thank you. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

 

Love all things 35. I will get a rifle in 360 buckhammer. But mostly excited for additional bullet availability if the 360 takes off. I already have a lifetime supply of 35 Remington ammo and brass.


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I'm not running out to buy a .360 Buckhammer, but look at the advantages for people that do. Any brass from a .219 Zipper, .25-35, 7-30 Waters, .30WCF, .32 Win Spl, .32-40, .38-55, or .375 Win that a guy can buy or scrounge will make the Buckhammer case. With a 1 in 12" twist, a handloader can run with a 225 or 250 grain bullet, so it's more flexible than the .35 Rem, which has a 1 in 16" twist.
I could be wrong here, but I am predicting the .360 Buckhammer will sell and stay in the consumer market for a long time. Hit your shooting buds up for all their oddball brass with a .420" head and a .506" rim. With a set of dies and a bullet mould, a guy could be in the game forever. Venison and rice or venison and biscuits might see some people through.

 

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

The BuckHammer is loaded to 50,000 PSI, pretty much the limit of the new 336 Actions. No one is going to soup it up without risking injury. The .35 Rem has a larger case capacity and if uploaded to even 45,000 PSI it will far out perform the BuckHammer. Don’t go sell your .35 Rem to buy a new BuckHammer which is just a .35 Rem for AR platforms.
Really nothing to see here.

 

The BuckHammer is loaded to 50,000 PSI, pretty much the limit of the new 336 Actions. No one is going to soup it up without risking injury. The .35 Rem has a larger case capacity and if uploaded to even 45,000 PSI it will far out perform the BuckHammer. Don’t go sell your .35 Rem to buy a new BuckHammer which is just a .35 Rem for AR platforms.
Really nothing to see here.

I believe you are mistaking the Buckhammer for a different cartridge.

 

The Buckhammer is based on the rimmed 30-30 case, making it a poor choice for the AR. The 350 Legend covers that application.

Using good brass, H4895 and Sierra's 200 grain Pro Hunter, I'm pretty comfortable loading the 35 Rem to about 40,000 PSI- low end 30-30 pressures. I'm getting an honest 2155-2180 fps (depending on headstamp) from an old 20" Ballard rifled 336. That's all the wallop I need from this rifle and cartridge. Even at this level, your brass attrition increases. You'll see a few more cracked necks.

I personally would not load the 35 Remington to 45,000 PSI, particularly with old brass which might have been fired 1-5 times in several different chambers. Others are free to do as they wish.

 

Folks also need to take this variable into the equation. I am presumptuous here that most posters here are Boomers. The generation is starting to succumb to dementia and time.

Are the kids going to take on the .35 rem? Will they hunt? The next generation is the real question, and when millennials and gen Z are shopping now, they can't find or afford the older guns most likely. They'll buy this. Marketing. And eventually the flood of boomer hoardings will hit the market and prices will stagnant or drop on older guns. Who will buy all these older ones?

I don't believe boomers have done a sufficient job in culturing the next generations.

 

Folks also need to take this variable into the equation. I am presumptuous here that most posters here are Boomers. The generation is starting to succumb to dementia and time.

Are the kids going to take on the .35 rem? Will they hunt? The next generation is the real question, and when millennials and gen Z are shopping now, they can't find or afford the older guns most likely. They'll buy this. Marketing. And eventually the flood of boomer hoardings will hit the market and prices will stagnant or drop on older guns. Who will buy all these older ones?

I don't believe boomers have done a sufficient job in culturing the next generations.

Dementia and time? Really?

I play Scrabble for money. Ten cents a point and $10 a game. I was born in 1949. You're welcome to come test my dementia any old time. Bring your wallet, it's cash only.

Apparently we did fail to teach respect for Elders.

 

Too much video games and not enough get off your butt and let’s go hunting.

 

I didn't address my comment to you. @rob42049 This is an observation of the realities of demographics. I'm glad you are in good health. Boomers are numerous relative to other generations. Time in the post was meant to be a more respectful way, towards elders, in saying death. But since that gentler euphemism was missed, let's be more blunt - American life expectancy is ~77 or ~78 years. Boomers, as a whole, are now entering that statistic.

Buckhammer is a new cartridge, and these large companies certainly take into account their market, the demographics, and how they will invest into their future products. This is certainly a variable.

This demographic swing, with time, will have an impact on gun ownership, ammo manufacturing, and circulation of existing/historic/current hunting rifles.

My point holds merit, and doesn't convey disrespect to elders, but merely draws attention to a fact.

 

Since it's based on a 30 30 case it may replace the 35R. Companies tend to look at manufacturing shortcuts and the use of a 30 30 bolt face is one.
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I will stick with my 357mag Marlin and 357 Max single shot. If I need to step it up from there I will use the Whelen.

 

For those youngsters worried about dementia sweeping the ranks of people born immediately following the War, here's the numbers from the US Department of Health. Intersect the dementia percentage with the firearm owners' percentage, and the number becomes extremely small. Don't be taking Grampa's guns just yet, he's still as sharp as any other gun owner, with the benefit of 50 or 60 years of experience. I took that particular comment as an insult.
Sure @StumpHunter, talk about death and impending death, we all have it coming, no need to sugar coat it. I've outlived dozens of my friends. It's bittersweet. But leave dementia and mental decline in general out of your assessment of Baby Boomers. We're a relatively healthy demographic due to advances in nutrition and medical science. Dementia is an insignificant figure as it relates to firearms ownership in my age group. Market trends will be affected by any group dying off.

 

What were we talking about again?