Welcome to the forum, don't know about your 35/70 idea I think I would consider something a bit more conventional .

 

Hey Brendan,

Welcome to MO.

There is the 38-55. A cartridge whose performance shines far past what the numbers would suggest..........

Later, Mark

 

The .375 Win., .358 Win., .348 Win., .350 Rem. Mag and .35 Remington have all been slow movers and low profit.

That is why the ammo companies only run them once a year. They were also hard kickers in light rifles, which is why they didn't sell well.

The .444 Marlin and .45-70s exist for the guys who tolerate recoil and want a powerful hunting rifle.

The only .35 factory big game cartridge which seems to survive having ample variety of new rifles and ammo being produced for it is the .35 Whelen.

There isn't sufficient market to support a .35 lever action in a "new" chambering.

I predict .35 Remington will go the way of the .348 soon, and those who have them should hoard brass while they can still get it.

I sold off my .35 Remington rifles years ago.

For me the .35/.30-30 makes more sense because it can be formed readily from .38-55 Starline brass, .32 WS, .30-30, etc.

The .375 Win. is a good cartridge and avoids the great barrel and chamber variations common with the black powder rounds, but was a poor seller.

 

I predict .35 Remington will go the way of the .348 soon, and those who have them should hoard brass while they can still get it.

I sold off my .35 Remington rifles years ago.


I think you're wrong.................

I don't see the 35 Rem going away, especially in the 336, unless Remington goes out of business or Broke...........Hey!..... that could happen though, huh!..............

I think 35 Rem shooters know the "real world" difference, and will keep the loading alive well into the future.............

Hey, All those Ultra Mags and "Short Fat powder column things" made a heck of a splash 20 years ago, but I don't see them around now.................

No, ........... I think the shooters and hunters of today realize what works, and how well it works ...................The 35 Rem will live a long life, and if the major Ammo companies choose to stop building 35's, the smaller Ammo companies and the Re-loaders will pick up the slack, without ever noticing the difficulty in finding ammo............

The 8 x 57 Mauser with its .323 bullet is alive and well, with components readily available today................Even 307 and 356 shooters find components, because they know the benefits of those calibers over others, so they search them out.

Tom

 

I owned a 348 win with buffalo bore ammo it was worse than 300 win mag, way to much for cartridge for most people and hunting. I still love that cartridge hand loaded, bullet selection is horrid, Browning model 71 is nice enough lever in my opinion.

The lever action does not stand up to full pressure 45-70 loads, I'm not familiar with 35 rem is the case or the lever action the limiting factor ? Once you go above 30 cal you leave out well over 50% of rifle shooters, the reason is simple recoil... old timers like 35 rem is loaded to modest pressure so recoil is not an issue.. recoil recoil recoil I keep saying that word lol... Would be interesting to even see a mock up side by side 35-70 vs 35 rem

 

I find the recoil of the .35 Remington to be quite mild compared to several other .30 caliber rifles. I could shoot it all day, just like a 30-30. Now the .444 I used to have, that's another story. I find the .444 easy to shoot standing up, but uncomfortable from a bench.

 

:hmmmm: WOULD A 35/70 COME IN A LONGER STRAIGHT SHOULDER CASE ?.............
Or...a necked down 45 case?

How about a 35 on a necked down BIG 50 CASE :dontknow:... KINDA SHORT AND FAT YA KNOW.

 

a 35-70 would produce really high pressures.....all that powder and a 35 bore....you would have to hand load it way, way down and then - whats the point - go for a 358W or a 356 or the ol trusty 35R...you are on the right track - the 35 cal is perfect for most applications - from the 35R to the 35Whelen and up to the magnums....did I mention the 35R - my fav -

 

Outpost, you forgot the 356 Win. Also, I don't see the 35 Remington leaving the scene any time soon. Just my opinion. :biggrin:

I agree that the 35 Whelen is alive and well. :top:

T.S.

 

I always wanted a 35/444 in a lever.

 

.38-55 is the most obvious and easiest compromise.
But...

As a wildcat junky, a reasonable .35 caliber fan (.35 Whelen power level in particular), and a big fan of .444 Marlin, I think that's the easiest answer.
I would go with a long shoulder, for smoother feeding and higher success rate on brass conversion. But it would sacrifice some case capacity and maximum possible performance.

Easy to time/tune the action.
Easy case forming.
Good brass availability.
Good power level.
And.... almost no one else would have one.

 

.358 JDJ aka 35/444

JDJ358Page

 

Having dies and reamers available certainly helps. But I like putting my own twist (and something other than the JDJ name) on things. .... When the funds are available, since it's about twice as expensive.

 

After doing a bit of math on case capacity, you would end up with just a couple of more grains of case capacity than a .356 Winchester, which is a butt kicking lever gun round.

 

it's all fun but the truth is each cal. in each category, there ain't a nickels worth of difference in any of them. a 35 rem. is about as good as a 35 gets. anything else is not to efficient, more powder and you are just spinning your wheels.....

 

Far as the .35 Rem is concerned I'd consider making a wildcat using a .243 reamer with a .35 pilot. Just ream far enough to match the shoulder of the .35. The open body and use .308 brass necked up. Give you a few more grains of powder for a nice boost in power, plus being able to get plentiful brass that will work well.

Then the .35 is not going anywhere, and considering Flat Tops Safari Grade mod will bring it to a whole new level anyway.

 

Hi and welcome to the forum.

 

Ken Waters wrote an article in Handloader magazine about the 35 Greevy Express. It is a 45-70 case necked to 35 caliber and chambered in an 1895 Marlin. I don't have the Handloader issue with me but it was over 20 years ago. So reamers and dies exist. If my memory is accurate they were RCBS dies so maybe a call to RCBS might get you some case dimensions.

 

I have the 'Wildcat Cartridges' I and II Combo Edition book with this in it. I'll look up his 'summary' at the end of the article and report back.

 

Not often mentioned but the 35 Remington was also used in light weight Mauser bolt actions and could be loaded up to a bit more performance than out of a lever. The 45-70 is a good caliber but I found it a bit over sized for deer. The 35 Remington out of my lever is pretty darn good. Were I to pick about the ideal rifle for my area it would be a 308 Marlin or a 30-30 AI, have not seen one in the LGS for a long time and suspect it is another dead duck. I would pick the caliber mainly for extra range over hay fields, but really would not get too excited about jumping on the first one I would see. For that purpose I use a 243 bolt or maybe my old 8mm Mauser. It would probably be less expensive to get a BLR in 358 than do a wildcat. At this time, there is no gap a wild cat can fill. Might be fun just to experiment, but something already made is already in existence.

DEP

 

356 win is a bump up from 35 rem ..

I myself owned a few 375 Win , 356 Win and 444
Marlins ...
Now its 30-30 , 35 Rem & 45/70 Being that Im sick again and on a cane .. They are safe jockeys !!?

 

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My 35 Remington's with 220 gr bullets, are running about 2350 FPS...that is right on the heels of a 358. Good enough for me.

 

I'd say the JDJ would be very interesting with the 180 XTP HP by hornady for it's main bullet. They come with two crimp grooves allowing more grains powder capacity if needed.

I would doubt it would be necessary and the front one would allow you to use a 30-30 for a donor rifle.

Might have to machine the stop to allow for more OAL but very doable. (instructions and pics in the reference library)

Then it would be touch and go in the need for the bubble mag tube. With the neck down I think it would load into the mag tube easily without the bubble. Maybe open the ejection port, easily doable.

 

I think a little loading port massaging (including the inside of the receiver) would probably allow bind-free loading, with a straight tube.
And with the cartridge necked, I bet you wouldn't even need to open the ejection port.


I've had fun in the past (and probably will in the future :biggrin with 60 gr .312" XTPs in .30-30. That's sort-of, roughly, approximately what I equate the .35 cal 180 gr in .358 JDJ. While fun, it's not very useful to me.
So I, personally, would go big or go home.
Because I intended to cast some tonight for the .35 Whelen (HP version, no less), the NOE 360-310 FN ".35 Thumper" springs immediately to mind, as inappropriate as it may be for the application.

I think I might could settle for the Speer 220 gr FN or Woodleigh 225/250 gr RN, if needed. Dropping below 220 grains defeats the purpose, in my opinion. I can launch 150s to 200s with a 30 caliber.

 

Welcome to the forum. I think you'll find you are in like company with ideas like that. I agree the 35 Remington isn't going anywhere any time soon.

 

The 35 Rem , gets it done with no fuss.. Much better in the woods than what paper ballistics show...
and all of us know it can be pushed harder .. safely ..

 

You could look for an 1895 Winchester in 35 Winchester. Or an 1886 in 33 Winchester which is a 45-70 necked down to .338.

 

I think you need to look at 348DC by Clements. A "348-70" if you will. I have always wanted one of these, but have a lot of other things on my plate