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300 savage vrs 7mm Mag

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#1 ·
I have a savage 99 in 300 savage and a Remington 700 in 7mm Magnum and I am trying to decide which rifle to keep and which one to get rid of. What are the pros and cons of both for hunting? I know this is the Savage lever gun part of the forum but if some have both which is the better rifle to keep in a SHTF situation where you would need a good longer range rifle for hunting. I have my 45-70 for short to medium range shots so I need a long gun just in case.


Doc
 
#2 ·
I have both and would really hate to part with the Savage 99 because it is such a "classic" and good shooter! However, it is at its best to 250yards using a scope (IMO), whereas the 7Mag is long range "number" that is only limited by the quality of the scope and the skill of the "shooter". I also have a 45/70, which I'd hate to give up, but would before I'd part with the Savage 99 (BTW, my 45/70 is not a Marlin). Just my .02.
 
#4 ·
Dang Doc - I'd hate to get rid of either. The .300 Savage 99 is a real classic and a great general-purpose hunting rifle.

If you ever contemplate hunting mule deer or elk "out west" or even whitetail over a beanfield though, the 7mm Rem mag is a real fine choice.

Nothing wrong with having a couple of different rifles sitting around, not doing much. They'll be there for you when you want them, all sighted-in and ready to go. I've got a couple of under-employed rifles, a .300 WSM and a .375 H&H. Don't use either of them very often, but they're really nice rifles that shoot very well. Every now and again I'll break out one of them and take it to the range or take it hunting. Having a 7mm mag ready to roll is a good thing when a buddy calls up and invites you on a hunt where a 300 or 400 yard shot is a strong possibility.

FWIW, Guy
 
#8 ·
I have both in the same calibers mentioned.
My 99 should be a safe queen as nice as she is....no way would I part with her.
If I had to part with one it would be the 7mag .

Savage 99's were a marvel of engineering at their time and still are today.
Take heed , you will kick your self for parting with a 99 , dont do it !
 
#9 ·
So far as cartridges go, the 7mm mag out-performs the 300 Savage in every way.
The 300 Savage is a 300 yard deer cartridge, the 7mm mag is a 500 yard deer cartridge - but how many of us are shooting deer out over 1/4 mile?
The 300 Savage is not a moose cartridge and the 7mm Rem Mag is. Probably not a problem for most folk south of the 49th.
I have an older Remington 760 Pump in 300 Savage that was my grandfathers deer rifle and it would make a good "one rifle hunter" rifle.

Like others have said, the Savage 99 is a really nice classic rifle - the 700 is, well.. just a 700.

Not sure about the SHTF... 300 Savage ammo is still around but is expensive for what it is - I hand load for mine - there's lots of data out there. The 7mm Rem Mag is just plain pricey - a big case, lots of powder. No clear winner there for me. You can hand-load or stock up on either one and still run out of ammo. If you're worried about running out of ammo, buy a flintlock musket and read up on how to make black powder...
 
#11 ·
Yeah I was kind of thinking maybe selling and getting a 308 or a 30.06, I have a 12 gauge but its an old double barrel one, It would be good for a home defence gun chopped down with a pistol grip! I just have too many rifles and I need to justify what they are to be used for. The 300 savage is a good rifle but so is the 7mm Mag but a 30.06 would be around the same as the 7mm is so why would I want the 300 if somthing else could be used? I know they are built like a bank vault and they are no longer made and such but do "I" need it? I was just bouncing the question around here to see if any input could make me, make up my mind.

I want 1 gun for 1 perpose, I have the 22 (and a 222) for varmits, the 45-70 for short to mid length shots any anything to eat. I have a 12 gauge and 20 gauge for birds and such so the only thing I was thinking of was what rifle will be my long gun....... I wish I could use them all but I wanted to get them to the minimum I need.

Oh well, for now I will do nothing and hope the answer will come in time, Thank you all for your input.


Doc
 
#12 ·
That's what happens when you get too many rifles. You start needlessly questioning yourself if you really need all of them. Do I need a short range gun and a medium range gun and a long range gun? I have come to the conclusion that there is no perfect battery of rifles that will please most of us. We buy guns because we love guns. I have the Varmit, Bird, Deer, Moose and human scenario covered with 20 or so rifles but if I were to sell off 8 or 10 of them I wouldn't have anything to fondle or admire and the gun rack would look bare in my eyes. My advise to you is to sell me the 99 and you won't have to worry about it again. Just kidding. My buddy who is 75 years old went to his nephews deer lease in West Texas last week. There is 10,000 acres and each person on the lease pays 5,000 dollars for a 1000 acres to hunt on. It is strictly managed. My friend who was going to shoot a doe just preferred to sit in the stand with his nephew and glass and watch. He took a 99 savage in 300 sav with him and his nephew used it instead of his 7 mag and rolled a nice 130 class 8 point and now he is sold on a 300 savage. Keep the savage 300 and you won't ever regret it. Good hunting.
 
#13 ·
I agree keep the 99 sell the 7 Mag. and then start looking for a real nice 308 winchester in the model 99 on the used market. 300 Savage model 99's are easy to find because it was the most produced caliber in that model. 308's are bit harder to find but they are out there . the 300 Savage is a fine round and performs well on big game up to and including elk if you choose the right bullet and don't stretch it much past 250. I have an excellent long range custom 7MM Mag. with a Leupold ballistic compensating scope. The rifle shoots like gang busters and with the long Berger VLD bullets you can really reach out there, but my probelm is I hate carrying that big old clumsy thing so I reach up in the rack as a matter of course and pull my Model 99 Sage 308 down and go hunting. The 308 has a definite ballistic edge over the 300 Savage with heavier bullets and ammo is so much easier to find that I think it would be a good move for you. Incidently most of this western country where we hunt the timber is pretty thick and the country is broken so getting a shot over 300 yards just doesn't happen too often unless it is a desperation shot at one leaving the country. My longest elk kill to date is a measured 497 yards, and that is too far to be shooting but it was the last hour of the last day and I had a dead rest and no wind to speak of. Nope it wasn't the 7MM Magnum it was the little 308 Winchester with a 165 Gr. Remington Core Loct. At the shot the elk humped up a little took two or three steps and stopped. I took aim again and let fly and the elk dropped in it's tracks. The first shot had done the job and it's lungs were in bad shape the second shot was un-needed but I didn't know and it hit the front shoulder and nocked the elk over. As i said in real hunting field situation without a spotter and forward observer this range is pretty dicey but i didn't have time to move closer this time.


Lever guns make great hunting companions because they have class and personality seldon found in most of today's rifles.
 
#14 ·
long live the savage 99

i was reading along with what you guys were saying about the 300 savage vs 7mm mag. I have hunted deer in Texas all my life across several counties in the river bottoms of central/east Texas and in the mesquite regions of the southern and western part of the state, and I have experimented with several popular calibers during my 30+ years of deer hunting. I have owned and hunted with both of these calibers, and I hill be happy to share my experiences with both. I started out hunting deer in the Navasota river valley in the late 1970's. We were poor and all I had to hunt with was a stevens 4-10 that i shot slugs in,but it worked. Later my a family friend loaned me a mauser rifle that had been converted to 22-250. i was still in my teens, but a good shot and learned to kill effectively with this scoped rifle, although i found it to be lite in the boots.Later i recieved a remington model 788 in 243 as a christmas gift. I wish I could honestly say how many deer i killed with this rifle, i found it much more effective than the 22-250. most likely because i used 100 grain bullets in the 243 as opposed to 55's in the 22-250.I later purchased a 30/30 in a marlin 336, a gun that i still hold in very high reguard. I found the 30/30 to have lots more knock-down power than both the 243 and the 22-250. In the early 1990's we started leasing land to hunt on in south texas , so I wanted something with more rangeso I bought a remington 700 in 270 win. This gun and caliber had served my father well as an avid deer hunter for many years, and I had personally seen him take several bucks at distances i'm sure were farther than 400 yards. In the brush country of crocket county, the 270 worked well. Around this time, i began handloading, and got started in benchrest shooting. I tried out several calibers over the next few years; 30-06springfield,308win,7mm-08win,and 25-06. the 708 and 308 were calibers i'd seen used in the benchrest world and knew them both to be contenters in the 500meter sillouette. As deer rifles they were both very effective even at distances out to 4 or 5 hundred yards with handloads and some decent glass.The worst of the lot was the 25-06. Now I know this is going to raise some eyebrows out there, as i am well informed of the following thin caliber has in Texas, but I have to be honest about my own experiences. This is the most finikey caliber I have ever tried to handload for. The caliber performs well on paper when you look at the ballistics but for me the stats just didn't carry over to the range. I never was able to make that gun shoot more than an 1 1/2 group at 200 yards. I was so disappointed with the rifle that I sold it at a gun show because i didn't want it to fall into the hands of another hunter i might know. Years later i got the idea to buy a rifle that i thought would shoot effectively at great distances. Some of the places we were hunting presented 6 to 800 yard shots and i thought maybe with my benchrest experience and handloading i could possibly take a deer at these distances, with the right caliber. so after ome research i steeled on a 7mm magnum in a remington 700 0f coarse. the rifle did what i wanted it to do, but it took some expensive glass to get it done and i literally had to construct a portable take-down shooting bench to take into the field. i found the caliber to be devistatingly powerfull on the smaller sized deer of southwest Texas. Overkill is a good way to describe it. Around this time i began to get interested in classic hunting calibers, and became somewhat of a collector of these type guns. The one that performed the best was a sporteried sweedish mauser in 6.5x55. as a hunter who has used both this caliber and the 270win in the field i honestly cannot say which is better, but they are both great flat-shooters and hard hitters. absolutly everything a deer hunter could possibly want and then some. i bought two classic savage 99s one in 250 and one in 300savage. The 250 would never shoot right. I later discovered that some of the earlier guns had a slower rifling twist and thus don't perform well with some of the heavier bullets. this is the same problem with some of the earlier 6mm remingtons as well. The 300 savage was great fun. I wouldn't put a scope on it, as it would ruin the gun's value, but i would love to try one with a scope. on paper the gun ballisticly is not that far removed from a 308, and we all know what that caliber is capable of,right? Ive told alot of my story here, but the point im trying to make is this: the rifle and caliber used should always be in direct perportion the the game persued and the possible shot to be presented. There is a reason why there are so many calibers available out there, and that is because they all have theyre place . It's just that bigger isn't always better, at least not for deer. A young hunter once asked me what I thought was the best caliber for deer, I pondered the question awhile as he admired my custom-built 7mm08 with west-german Ziess, then i told him this: any modern rifle caliber that shoots at least a 100-grain bullet with a muzzle velosity of around 2800fps. You have alot to choose from.
 
#15 ·
If your thinking about getting rid of your Sav 99..........you really need help! Sav 99`s are getting like hen`s teeth to find.
Been out of production for quite some time. One of the best lever`s of all time. To bad you don`t appreciate what you have.

The 7 m/m Mag is a beast. Great bean field gun. Has a healthy recoil. Can handle most game found in the lower 48. I`d sell the 7
but never the 99. Course I`ve got both. :)
 
#16 ·
Paragraphs my friend^^^^^

If your talking SHTF scenario, I am sure the 7mm is easier to find. .308 is the ideal caliber for availibility and killing power in my opinion.

You would be silly getting rid of the 99. I used to have more guns than I do now but I got rid of alot of them because I was in your same shoes. Unless it is a money issue, you WILL regret it. I have since been building my collection back up. I shoot more than I used to as it is close to home and my family. It is a hobby that you can go do for a couple hours and still be home for dinner.
 
#17 ·
Thanks for all the input fellas, I just have too many rifles sitting around with none to just a little ammo and am trying to figure out what to keep and get ammo for and what to get rid of. I have my guide gun, a 12 gauge, a 22, and then there is the 300 savage, the 7mm Mag and a 6.5X57 Mannlicher Shoenauer. I have maybe 100 rounds or so for the 6.5X57 but I only have a few rounds of the 300savage and the 7mm Mag. The 6.5 is an AWESOME rifle with double set triggers... Put one in the chamber and set the front trigger and all it takes is the lightest touch on the back one to set it off, There is no jerking that trigger and missing high or right.

I don't know what the outcome will be yet on the 300 vrs 7mm but its a goal to be able to purchase the ammo that I will need. I totally agree with the 308 being one of the best rounds out there as far as availability and good ballistics and if the savage would have been a 308 I wouldn't even think of getting rid of it. Maybe the 300 savage would be the better choice to keep since I do have around 100 rounds and I do have the dies for it, so maybe I will just reload for that one and give the 7mm to my son.


Doc
 
#19 ·
The Savage 99 in .300 Savage is the one of the best classics of the 20th Century and I'm keeping mine! The 7mm Mag is a better long range cartridge but can it really be utilized by the
average once a year deer hunter? I think not. I've tested my .300 Savage side by side at 200 yards with my .270 Win, and the drop with properly loaded .300 Savage ammo i.e. 150gr Ballistic Tips @ 2700fps is less than one inch between them. The .270 Win was loaded with 130gr HDY's at 3000fps. I'll use my .308's also if the SHTF ever happens.
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#20 ·
You know you want to keep the Savage. I have a 99 in 300 Savage, and you can get really close to .308 Winchester ballistics handloading that cartridge. Sure, factory ammo is pretty scarce and pretty expensive, but if you reload it's probably all the gun you need. I never see me having a need for a 7mm mag here in WV. I'd just be over gunned.
 
#24 ·
Well the question was answered today. I was trying to fix up an old Winchester 30-30 for my son but it was just too far gone so I gave my son the 300 Savage today. He loves lever guns so he will love this one and one day we will get him a 30-30 lever as well but it will be a Marlin.


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