Where I hunt in Elk neck state forest in MD, I always used a rifle, no problem. Now I'm going to hunt the area this year. Now Md dnr says you have to use a straight wall cartridge. So I look up the 30-30 win cartridge, It's listed as a straight wall cartridge. This isn't info from the state, it's what I found online. I plan on using my Marlin 336. Can anyone confirm that the 30-30 is a SWC. The articals had someting to do that 30-30 was made from a SWC the 38-55 . I know it's not a true bottle neck like my 30-06. Thanks.
30-30 straight wall cartridge ?
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I got the call from the gun shop, It's all good, I'm picking the rifle up tomorrow. Then I'll get some hunting ammo . I'm going to clean her real good and bore sight her , and torque the scope mounts and scope rings. I never trust a so called factory sight in. I really would have liked the Ruger Marlin in 44 mag or 357 mag, but for $1200.00 to $1300.00 bucks , no way. I just feel bad I can't use my 1964 M45/336 in 30-30 for where i'm going.
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Good for you and good luck with your NIB rifle. Don't feel bad your M45/336 in 30-30 will always be there when you need it, it's good to have choices.
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Ruger made Marlin 44 mags don't cost $1200+ dollars Here is the auction number for someone on GB that has 8 of them for sale and has had 8 of them for sale for at least two weeks priced at $881. No bidding. Just hit the buy now button. I have been watching thes because I want one of the newer guns with the 1/20 twist.
Auction # 1062003814 So far as I know I can post the number but not a link. I hope. This is about the best price I have found. I would have already ordered one except for some health issues I am having to deal with. And my 2004 Marlin 44 mag shoots pretty good with its 1/38 twist Ballard Rifling and I am not sure the price is worth the trouble to switch. And the 44 mag lays deer low. I have killed one with mine and my bud has killed around 10 with his. Deer don't run far when hit with a 240gr bullet started at 1600+fps.
Never sell your 30-30. Its one of the best hunting rounds ever made. Its a real hunters rifles and speaks to your skill as a hunter. Here is a good read on the 30-30 from one of the posters on this site.
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I know about GB, But I would rather buy local. I personaly hate big purchases online. Besides $900.00 for the gun, + shipping to dealer, transfer fee's $ 50 to 75 bucks. It start's adding up. Where I hunt and sometimes land I get invited to, What I bought will do fine, besides ,I'll have money left for ammo. No I will never sell my 30-30, It was my first rifle from my father in 1964, I shot a lot of deer with her, to many memories. Thanks all for great advice.
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Elk Neck looks like a nice place to hunt. I've never been there. I may have to check out the state park campground for crabbing and fishing. Looks too far away for hunting. I have great places a lot closer and there's ripoff toll to get there from my house.
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My 1:38 twist 16” Henry patterned like a shotgun. It was horrible. I sent it back for a new 1:20 twist barrel this summer. It was built in 2015 (I bought it used) and Henry did new everything in front of the receiver, including mag tube, front sight etc. They charged me nothing to do it, and told me to pick ANY “swag” from their site as an apology for my troubles. I got some nice leather and wool goodies and a Zippo. I’ve taken the new 1:20 twist carbine to the range once, and it shoots night and day better. Of course Murphy came along and I found after shooting almost a full box of my hunting ammo that the new rings I bought for my 1-6x scope were not staying tight. So I ordered another style of rings (Non QD) and will do the final dial in as soon as they arrive. From what I’ve seen, 1:20 is far superior to 1:38.
I’m determined to hunt with the .44 this season, but if it still won’t shoot, my 336 in .30-30 will be ready. I love my .30-30s!
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It is a mental health issue. Black guns are evil. A pistol style grip on a rifle is evil. A bayonet lug is evil. More than 10 rounds in a weapon is evil. ("Evil" -- suggesting some kind of religiously held conviction of its intrinsic truth.) That is at the supposedly "adult" level of knowledge. However, the self-anointed thought police at the grade school level single out photographs of rifles and handguns as evil -- imagery is evil. Meanwhile, at the school level, teaching those kids about condoms is just fine, cross-dressing is just fine, and having Sodom and Gomora weirdos reading perverted stories to children in classrooms is O.K. IMHO, much of this abject stupidity stems from the local school boards having been taken over by people with mental health issues. They propagate their weirdness into the educational system, making the system and education conform to their own disorders.
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I have seen you post this before and I have to say that Henry did you a solid for swapping out your barrel. I'm not sure I would blame the twist as much as just a poorly made barrel. I have seen another mentions of bad barrels from Henry. My Marlin with its 1/38 twist will as a rule shoot 240gr jacketed bullets into a 4" or less group at 100 yards. So will my buds older Marlin with Micro-Groove barrel. Mine is Ballard rifled.
Both our guns shoot better after a simple fix. When I first got my gun it was a 6" grouper at 100 yards. So I started looking at it. I took the forearm off and found that the wood was slightly too long and the screws for the forearm cap were almost cross threaded where Marlin forced it to fit. So I refitted my forearm so it was just slightly loose then glass bedded it to a perfect, stress free fit. My groups shrunk in half. Its one of the reasons like the barrel band forearm attachment over the cap set up.
This worked so well on my gun my bud checked out his older Marlin and found his cap screws were cross threaded from the factory to the point where the screws and the hanger had to be replaced. He called Marlin and they made him pay for the parts for their mistake. He refitted his forearm and also got his rifle grouping better.
Your problem could have been something similar or you may have just got a bad barrel. The original Winchester 1873 rifles came with a 1/36 twist and shot well enough that some have shot them out to 300 yards. A 1/36 and 1/38 twist isn't much of a difference. I really think the 1/20 twist is better if you want to shoot heavier than 240gr bullets. But when you go heavier you really start losing velocity and trajectory. There just isn't enough case capacity for the heavier bullet. Reading the reloading manuals the 240gr bullet is the sweet spot for speed and energy.
I have loaded 200gr bullets to over 2000fps but the groups went up to the 5" range at 100 yards. So I just went back to the 240gr loads for hunting and now am playing with cast 200gr light loads to replicate the 44-40. I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet but hope they work for a good sub load and still enough power for deer hunting.
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Check the forearm and also the front band on the barrel and mag tube. Its not supposed to be super tight. You want it tight enough so it doesn't rattle but with enough clearance so when the barrel heats up it isn't being held under pressure by the magazine tube. You don't want stress on the barrel is what it comes down to.
I am not sure how the work it on Heny's but Marlin barrels all have the same outside diameter. I guess that makes its easy to use the same barrel bands and forearms. But it also means a 30-30 barrel has some nice thick barrel walls. When you get to the 44s and 45s the barrel walls are pretty thin. So the barrels heat up faster.
One article I read the guy said he could never get a good 5 shot group from his 44. He could get 4 tight shots but the 5th shot was always out from the group a little. I think he had a valid point. Its why I would really like a 44 mag CB with an octagonal barrel. I think the barrel walls would be thicker and more able to handle heat.
But then my 44 mag is a deer hunting gun first and foremost. Three shots should take care of any deer hunt. And if I do my job right one shot should be good enough. I'm not fighting Indians attacking the homestead. And I have noticed that at 75 yards my 44 mag will keep 5 shots in a 2" group. It seems I really start getting a bigger dispersion when I shoot at 100 yards. But no matter really since every deer of the 30 I have killed except one was 80 yards or less. Most about half that. I hunt brushy areas and don't get many chances at long shots.
There was an article in the Backwoodsman Magazine about 3 issues back and the writer had worked up the average of the 70 or so deer he had killed. The farthest was around 125 yards and the closest was just a few short yards away. He said he average deer kill worked out to be around 46 yards. I agree with that. Most of my kills have been closer than farther. But thats also because of where and how I hunt.
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I’m in the same boat Thomas. All my guns, aside from the antique or collectables are solely for hunting. If I put 3 into a 3-4” ring at 100 I’m good. Minute of deer. I’m in southern BC right on the border where Washington and Idaho meet. It’s mostly very thick brush. I actually have a “sittting spot” that is 5 yards north of the Canada USA line. If I miss a deer I might hit one of the obelisks. Every deer I’ve ever shot has been at 25 yards or so. At archery distances, my tolerance is pretty high! I’m using a 1-6X Vortex with an illuminated reticle so I can see the cross hairs in low light. My aging eyes can see the animals, but the thin black lines of the cross hairs are hard to pick out.
The Henry has a forend cap, and a dovetail at the barrel to hold the mag tube in place. I’m 95% sure the issue is the rings, and my new ones will be here Monday. Deer season starts Tuesday, so I’ll be at the range Tuesday morning I hope.
The Henry has a forend cap, and a dovetail at the barrel to hold the mag tube in place. I’m 95% sure the issue is the rings, and my new ones will be here Monday. Deer season starts Tuesday, so I’ll be at the range Tuesday morning I hope.
The 30-30 is not straight walled. The is a sloping shoulder for sure. There are several new straight walled cartridges. The 350 legend comes to mind and I think are some others. Personally I think a 45-70 is a lot of fun.
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is their a straight walled cartridge for 30 30 by the way ?
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No. The 30-30 is a bottleneck cartridge.
Is there a straight walled 30 caliber cartridge? Yes, the 30 Carbine cartridge. Probably others I can't think of at the moment.
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If a M1 carbine could be converted to shoot 357 Rem. maximum cartridge it would make a heck of a bush carbine.
Tony
PS. for the state that requires a straight wall 35 cal. cartridge.
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IMHO, in WW Two, the M-1 Carbine would have been a much better performing rifle if it had been chambered in today's 350 Legend rather than .30 Carbine.
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So be it. What I posted was my freedom of speech covered by the first amendment.
Tony
PS. it was just a thought.
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