And YES I meant "here" and not "hear".....

 

Some info here...

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/55329-remington-30-30-winchester-accelerator-ammo.html

 

Thanks for the useful info...now I know..thanks!

 

An attempt to turn a .30-30 levergun in to a varminter. Worked -- but not very well. Strictly mediocre accuracy. Not at all suitable for use on deer-sized game.

 

I'm fairly certain these were available in .30-30, 308 Winchester and 30-06. I never tried them although they seemed to offer interesting possibilities for varmint hunting. I know of a single person who tried them in 30-30 and they were not impressed with accuracy. Perhaps the velocity with the plastic sabot was not amenable with the twist rate? Collector ammo now if the box and rounds are in nice condition.

 

I've never fired any, but know several people who have. Their demise was due to poor accuracy is what I was told. I also heard the ATF wasn't too keen on the concept of sabots being used in repeater firearms due to lack of rifling marks on the projectile. I have no idea if that was true; may have been an urban legend thing....

 

Factory rounds, 30-30 and 308.

 

I heard they were pulled off market because the bullet is untraceable and leaves no rifling marks,

 

I'm sure someone will probably correct me here of how this is not the case, but when I saw the ammo for my father's Savage 99 22 hi-power (5.6x52R) my first thought was that it really looked like a necked down 30-30.

Left - 71g 5.6x52R Norma
Right - 150g 30-30 Win.

 

Very close but not quite. Necked down .303 Savage which looks close enough to a 30-30

 

I suspect they didn't sell.

 

Look no farther than the Federal 125gr, it works.

 

I have loaded them, I believe the sabots came from E A Brown E. Arthur Brown Company - Guns, Barrels, Shooting Accessories they came will load data for most .30 cal rounds and a bullet seater. I loaded .224 55gr flat base heads. I shot a few and they printed on the money at 100yds but 12" to the left. When I have finished with the Pheasants at the end of next month I will come back to this one.GH

 

For .30-30 small game, I simply use a .310" round ball and a 'few' grains of fast 'pistol' powder...
Unresized case, and tapped in flush with a brass hammer...Slather on some LLA to seal and lube...

I can keep these on a 9" skillet all day long at 60 yards with my 26" barreled 1893...

 

The ones I tried shot about the same has any other cartridge shot out the rifle but was so far off of zero it took a lot of range time to correct. I have loads worked up with bore size projectiles that shoot very close to POA for most calibers if I want to varmint hunt. Also I can just switch back to full bore loads.
So why buy a box only to shoot 8-10 for sight in then you needed to shoot several to confirm the re- sighting of your rifle.
I would think the 55 gr bullets would blow up on larger varmints so not sure about the ATF rumors.

 

I consider them very akin to Herpes. Something bad that just won't go away, it keeps coming back.



Want a fast bullet for your 30-30 try this. Hand load 110gn bullets. With 40gns of BLC#2 though a 2 round proposition they are accurate unlike the bullets in Tupperware.

 

Back when those rounds came out I tried a box of .308s. They were dead on at 100yds and were in a tight group. I never tried any more. I also heard some of the complaints of the BATF about them and I heard some FBI forensics people complain about them. According to them not only did the projectile not have any marks on it, the recovered sabots did not have any distinguishing marks either. Supposedly all the ballistics folks could determine from the recovered sabots was the type of twist and number of lands and grooves in the barrel that fired it.

 

I have shot a few out of the boxes I have, pics above post, no complaints with accuracy. Just don't have any need for them. But, I have them if I do need them.

 

I heard this mentioned on another shooter forum.....anyone hear have knowledge of it? As in what is it...good? ...so so?... Bad?... And I'm referring in the context as a deer round...sounded like higher velocity and extended range. Before anyone feels the need to jump me about anything...I DON'T know...I'm trying to learn something and am just seeking someone who might know and have some opinions and explaination as to the good the bad or whatever about such ammo......
Thanks

If I may, as a point of order, MO is NOT that/those OTHER forum(s). This a pretty civil and mentoring place to hang out. In general, you'll not find folks here doing any jumping on anybody. This is a good crowd. So take off yer hat a stay awhile...

Tim

 

JC1957: I wanted this to work so bad. I have even bought ((( SEVERAL BAGS ))) of the plastic Sabots and the other accessories need to seat the 22 cal bullets over the years. This was going to be a Varminters dream come true. But I have just not had very good luck making this work so far. And I have several years off and on invested in my quest. I have one old Savage 30-06 that shoots them fairly well sometimes, but not always. One day I can get them to group fairly well, and then the next day I shoot patterns. And that just about drives me crazy. But I have not given up just yet. And I have tried reloading them in just about every 30cal rifle I own. I wish You the best of luck.
ken

 

Read the other older thread also, a handloader can pick up a box of 110gr .308 or pointy 130 gr for probably less $ than that box of 20 and load em up for speed. If you don't handload --good news- it's 2017 and an inexpensive entry level bolt action .223 or .243 can be purchases for under $300.