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I was cruising around youtube and found a guy using a 30-30 for hunting moose, one shot and the big bull went about 25 yds and crumpled up.
He was using factory Remington ammo I believe, and best of all, he shot it with a Marlin 336.
Having never used a 30-30 on big game like moose, I was impressed how well it worked.
 
Ditto on the Buffalo Bore ammo. I'm pretty sure he mentioned it had a 180 or 190 gr. slug, which would pretty much duplicate the 303 Savage, a round commonly thought of as a "moose gun" in Canada from the turn of the last century onward. An awesome video, as mentioned. Sure shoots the "gotta have a magnum" hunting set in the keister!
 
Back in 2013 on my dad’s ME moose hunt the guide told us about a woman he guided that shot a bull with a 30 30. For all you NY Yankee fans it was Stump Merrill’s( yankee manager in the 1980’s) wife.
 
I grew up on a ranch in northern BC. In those days the local First Nation people lived on the land hunting, trapping, and fishing. Their rifle of choice was the Winchester 94 in 30/30. I killed my first moose with one, and have seen dozens of others killed with it. I once watched an old Cree trapper kill a grizzly that killed one of our cows with one shot at 300-yards. He hit her right in the chest and she didnt go 10-feet. We were on a power transmission line and the poles were 300-yards apart so the distance wasn't "estimated" it was known. I learned early on that accuracy kills, not caliber. The 30/30 has killed more moose than all other calibers combined.
 
I am glad this was posted, it gives me a chance to post my favorite 30-30 story again!

this was posted by (30wcf) a member here. I just copied his post. I have posted it a couple of times myself. my dad told me this story when I was a kid. he read it in outdoor life magazine in 65 or so. I never forgot it and when the internet came along I found it. HERE IT IS AS POSTED NY 30WCF,,,,,,,,,,,


For those that don't think a fast handling .30-30 carbine is good defense against a grizzly, here's one fellow, with experience that would disagree with you.

Back in May of 1965, Jack Turner found out that it was just the gun for him to dispatch a charging grizzly that turned out to be the largest on record at that time.

In his story, "Killer Grizzly at Six feet", he recounts that he had moved his family up on the Atnarko River above Lonesome Lake in British Columbia. There were bear in the area and not one to take any chances, he always carried his faithful '94 .30-30 with him when away from the homestead.

He said "You never know when a grizzly will decide to pick a fight, so I rarely venture beyond the cleared fields around our house without hanging the old .30-30 over my shoulder. That precaution has saved my skin, or my family's at least twice."

On that particular day he left his house on a 2 mile walk to repair a fence. It was a fine spring morning. He recalls, "I came to a place where the trail, winding through cedars and cottonwoods, opens into a sunny glade no bigger than a house. I rounded a bend, and there in the center of the glade stood the biggest grizzly I had ever laid eyes on (and I have seen more than 200, in just about every part of British Columbia, in the last 20 years.) He was staring straight at me, and he was just 40 feet away.”

"Our eyes met and locked and he was on his way. I saw him in one instant and he was coming for me in a savage rush, running like a dog after his prey. He was drooling as he came, and a low growl was rumbling in his throat. I whipped the Winchester off my back and, since I carry the rifle loaded in the magazine but none in the chamber, I had to lever in a shell. The bear was almost on me when I slammed my shot into him, and I recall thinking, in that brief flash of time, that I'd only have time for one."

“I was using 170 gr. Soft point factory loads. I hit him dead center between the eyes and that soft point bullet blew his whole brain out through a hole in the back of his skull. He was still running full tilt when I shot, but his head went down between his forelegs, and he fell almost straight down. I backed off a few steps, held the rifle on him, and waited until I was sure there wasn’t a spark of life left in him. He was a buster, by far the biggest grizzly we had ever seen.”

Jack goes on to say that if the skull would have been intact, it would have scored 27 in the Boone and Crockett Clubs book according to them. The largest score on record at the time was 26 10/16.

Thank goodness he had a dependable, handy .30-30 rifle and knew how to use it.
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Here's another fellow, with experience, who would also disagree with you.

Posted 7/11/03 by Goosegestapo on Graybeard Outdoors Lever Action Forum

My brother got a newfound respect for the .30-30 while investigating a self-defense kill on a grizzly on an A-F base in the early'80s. Fella had killed a Moose and had gone back next day to finish packing out carcass. A 700-800lb Griz had found it and took offense at being disturbed.

Two quick shots from a .30/30 ended the argument with one shot (second fired) hitting griz in nose and exiting back of skull. First shot fired at charging bear had struck neck left of cheek and penetrated length wise lodging in paunch of Griz(!) and would have been a fatal shot, but would have taken a few too many moments to take effect. Ammo was Federal premium 170gr partitions.
 
The one thing I like about the carbines, be they 30-30, 32 Special, or 35R or even a 38-55 is that they beat a pistol for most of us. Some of the bigger pistols are pretty weighty and the carbine might be handier. Or to put it another way, I can shoot a rifle much better than a big bore pistol.

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