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225 & 250 gr Spitzer laods for the .35 Rem.?

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#1 ·
You guys here seem to know more about the .35 Rem than just about anywhere else so I thought I would start here.

I have a Rem. M-30 (the old sporter version of the P-17 Enfield) that is chambered for .35 Rem.



Now, I love the .35 Rem. but I already have 2 M336's and one Rem M-14 pump that all shoot great and are easy carrying. The Mod. 30 above has been altered by the addition of a pad and somewhere was D&T'd for the scope so it's collector value is gone. Besides, it's way too much gun for a .35 Rem.

I've always wanted a .35 Whelen and it's a simple matter of rechambering and swapping out the magazine box, if the 1-16 twist will stabilize heavier bullets. I have read some have no problem using 225 & 250's with a 1-16, but others claim a faster twist is necessary.

I thought I might get an idea by loading some .35 Rems with heavier bullets, I realize I won't get the same velocities but if they stabilize at lower speeds, well the higher speed should just be better.

So, are there any loads out there utilizing 225 & 250 gr. spitzer bullets made for the .358 win or .35 Whelen that will give me an idea about stabilization?


thanks,

Rob
 
#5 ·
Very nice rifle. It would be a toss up what I would do with it, but it looks like it would make an awesome Whelen. Pretty neat as a 35 Remington as well, but I am a bigger fan of the Whelen. I run 250 PT's in my 35 Whelen with the 1-16" twist. Does fine.

Here are a couple projections for powders...

Cartridge : .35 Rem.
Bullet : .358, 250, Hornady SPRN 3525
Useable Case Capaci: 38.460 grain H2O = 2.497 cmÂł
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.525 inch = 64.14 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm


Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 38000 psi, or 262 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !


Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495 106.8 35.8 2.32 2050 98.4 38000 5008 1.417 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 108.1 38.8 2.51 2018 91.1 38000 5059 1.398 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 102.5 37.4 2.43 2018 94.3 38000 4915 1.400 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 102.5 37.4 2.43 2018 94.3 38000 4915 1.400 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 110.0 38.6 2.50 1998 90.3 37384 4948 1.411 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 108.9 37.8 2.45 1992 90.3 38000 4885 1.408 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 105.5 38.2 2.48 1970 86.0 38000 4809 1.414 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 94.4 35.9 2.33 1967 93.1 38000 4639 1.433 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 94.4 35.9 2.33 1967 93.1 38000 4639 1.433 ! Near Maximum !


Let me know if you see something else. I ran this with a 22" barrel and a 250 Hornady.
 
#6 ·
Fine looking rifle! :congrats:
 
#9 ·
Wow.

That is one nice M-30.

My Whelens shoot every 225gr/250gr bullet like a good varmint rifle out to 300yds. Both have the Remington 1:16 twist barrels.

I have used most of the 225gr and .250gr bullets available in my Whelen. They hold up really well. I've also used .35 Remington bullets in my Whelen. They don't do so well.

Net assessment, there is a fair amount of discrepancy in the two performance envelopes. But some shooters do use them in cranked up handloads. I'm not sure I'd do that in a M-30 as there are some less than predictable aspects to pressures, and the brass is not designed for 60,000psi loads.

You might be better served with a crossover design like the Hornady 200gr SP, or the Nosler 200gr Bonded which work OK in both .35's. Both bullets are reasonably efficient, and in a decent bolt gun, can be loaded safely to 2200-2300fps with several powders. BL-C2 and W748 come to mind, many other options I haven't tried. Many Whelen and .358 Winchester owners like the 200gr SP's for game as large as elk and moose.