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    Marlin Model 32-38 Pump Research Project

    Well I just bought my 3rd Model 38 and am looking at a 4th, along with a Model 32. So I have decided devote some time to this lesser know Marlin hammerless pumps.


    My goal is to start a data base of serial numbers and features that should help in dating the Model 38, made from 1921-22 to early 1931.Have 2-31 price sheet to confirm this.
    I included the Model 32, made 1915, because I think that the early 38's, might have used existing Model 32 recievers that were left
    over, and also overlapped with the serial numbers.


    This is a theory of mine that I want to check out. This would mean that even-though the highest ser# of 5957 was observed,on 32's.
    There may have been considerably less 32's made than that. (Just added 6/30/12)-- It is possible that the Model 32 Ser#5957 might have been assembled as late as 1924-25.
    If number is stamped on the outside lower receiver. It is very likely. Would love to see this one.

    Considering that in one of my 1915 catalogs there is stamped on the Model 32 page,"THIS .22 HAMMERLESS REPEATER WILL BE READY IN SEPTEMBER"
    In the next 1915 catalog that came with a May 10th 1916 price sheet, there is stamped on the Model 32 page,"DISCONTINUED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE"


    Parley Baer has been collecting info on the Mo.93 and Mo.94 Marlins and Gewehr has been working on a data base for the Model 47 pump.
    I have been helping them out when I can. And while looking for 32's and 38's have found a few more for both of them.
    So help them out if you can.


    So far I have looked all over the internet and have found (151)-38's and (8)-32's. Some of those are only S/N, but many have info that I
    can use to help make the picture a little clearer. It already is showing some patterns as to when they were made.
    But there are 28,125 to 30,125 to go. Will have to see what it looks like with a few more.


    So if you are an owner of a Marlin Model 32 or 38 pump, or you know of anyone else that would like to help with information, and pictures if you like.
    I know I would like see some more pictures of this great little pump.

    You can contact me by PM. There are a few items I need so I will give a list.
    You can write down the number of the question and the the answer right after it.

    If you want to leave picture on this thread, I am sure that others here would like to see them also. But just the pictures only.
    Leave the info to the PM's or E-Mail's. Backgroud story, if you like, should be no problem.

    All Information provided in the PM's and E-mail's will be considered confidential,and published only with owners consent.


    Thanks up front for any help that you can provide.



    Left click On pictures to enlarge, and left click again, to enlarge to full size.
    Right click to save.

    I will start the pictures out with the first 3 of mine. I am waitng for the third 38 with a A-prefix to show up at my FFL. Update pic below.

    The first is a earlier than what Brophy had seen, when he wrote his book. #7XX, with Corporation stamp with Patents Pending. 7XX.jpg Also catalogs from 1922-30
    Marlin Safety buttplate,No bullseye or Star and ser# is located inside on both upper and lower receiver. 1st type bolt.


    The next is a hard to find Marlin Rockwell barrel #15XX there are others in this range and others in the 3 digit range.Model 38 15XX.jpg Checkering was not stock.
    Marlin Safety buttplate,No bullseye or Star and ser# is located inside on both upper and lower receiver. 1st type bolt.


    My 3rd is a Round barrel, Corporation stamp with 1922 patent date, has Ser# on lower receiver,Marlin oval buttplate ,bullseye and Star #A84XX. A84XX.jpg
    1st type bolt.

    Thank again

    Tom
    Last edited by Schtoolee; 11-05-2014 at 04:02 AM. Reason: Added e-mail- Updating pictures,text,end date
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    The information that I need. If you need any other picture to help you answer this let me know.


    #1 ____ Model 32 or 38


    #2 _________ Ser# including prefix if it has one.
    If one isn't visible, you can find it ether on the inside top of the barreled receiver or by taking off the stock and looking at the side of the tang on the lower receiver.


    #3 _________ Ser# loction = Inside or outside


    #4 _________ Barrel type = Oct.or Rd.


    #5 _______ Magazine type = latch or button


    #6 _____ Full langth magazine = Yes or No


    #7 ____ Barrel Stamp 5+ possible. Pick one and mark. = A,B,C,D,E,F

    A = Marlin Firearms Co. NEW HAVEN,CT,U.S.A.
    PATD.Mar.17.Sept.15.1914.July 13, 20 1915


    B = The Marlin Firearms Corporation NEW HAVEN,CT,U.S.A.
    PATD.Mar.17.Sept.15.1914.July.13.20.1915


    C = Marlin-Rockwell Corp. NEW HAVEN,CT,U.S.A.
    PATD.Mar.17.Sept.15.1914.July.13.20.1915


    D = The Marlin Firearms Corporation NEW HAVEN,CT,U.S.A.
    PATD.Mar.17.Sept.15.1914.July.13.20.1915.Patent Pending


    E = The Marlin Firearms Corporation NEW HAVEN,CONN,U.S.A.
    PATD.Mar.17.Sept.15.1914.July.13.20.1915.April.11. June.6.1922


    F = Different from above. What is different ? Or take picture.


    __________________________________________________ ___________


    __________________________________________________ ___________


    #8 _____ Bullesye = Yes or No


    #9 _____ Star = Yes or No -----> If (Yes) on Star,were is it located? _________ = Star locations.jpgStock has to be removed to see one on lower tang.

    #10 ____ Buttplate = A or B

    A = MARLIN and SAFETY on top and bottom of a circle---Look at my 1st and second gun, on first post.


    B = MARLIN in an oval-------- Look at my 3rd gun, on first post.


    #11 ______ Type of bolt = 1st or 2nd ---Model 38 Bolts.jpgThe second was probably only used in the last 1 or 2 years. Haven't seen any yet to tell.


    #12 Comments- Anything special or not stock on gun.


    __________________________________________________ ___________________________________
    Last edited by Schtoolee; 05-26-2014 at 04:03 AM. Reason: Added text, New info on star location
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    Hi

    I have a Model 32 with a lower 3 digit serial number. I can tell you the Model 32 is very, very scarce. So if you see one and want one get it. Mine has a Marlin Firearms Corporation barrel on it so it was assembled sometime during or after 1922. Has the Swebilius rear sight. I will try and get more information for you.
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    Thanks Parley Baer I have several more numbers for you, I just need to round them up.

    I did just pass on a 32 on Gunbrokers, if it wouldn't of had a crack the full length of the stock and a bolt going through it, I would have bid more. Maybe I should have? O well.

    At this point my list has 7 32's, of the 38's, I have 31 w/o prefix, 38 A-prefix, 10 D-prefix. I just got my A84XX the other day. I have to get a picture on here tonight.
    So I still need a D and one of each barrel stamp on the 32's. I am waiting for the price to drop a bit on the D. The 32's will probably be some time till I get those.
    Will have to save up to buy them, or sell something. But wont sell a Marlin
    La'i-be'eeldoh=(many guns)-NRA Life - Marlin league #16, Minnesota MarlinOwners--Team's= Marlin Express, Levermatic, 35 Rem #68, 32 Special #4, 45-70 #28, 1894 #94,30-30 #131, 39 #39, 38-55 #39, X7 #47, 60 #120, Shotgun #3, 366-44 #2, 44-40 #37, 22 Mag #006, 356 #?, MR7 #3 pending-Finally an Updated Marlin Dates and Production sheets.-Marlin Model 32-38 Pump Project-LEVERMATIC Catalog pages 1955-69 -This is how I converted a Marlin pump 22, to new type mag tube.

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    Updated+++ Picture of my 3rd Model 38 with round barrel added to first post.

    Also here is a picture of the 38 taken down.
    Model 38 Takedown size.jpg
    Last edited by Schtoolee; 07-01-2012 at 09:47 AM.
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    Update on numbers found on internet so far. Updated 05/09/13 New low in the NO prefix, and New high A prefix.
    8 -mod.32's
    151 -mod.38's of those 56 are No-prefix, 73 are A-prefix, 22 are D-prefix.


    Also update on Low a high serial numbers. Red shows change.

    The numbers below only represent the Serial Numbers that Brophy had seen, and reported in his book. And I Serial Numbers that I have come across, up to this point.
    So there could very well be a 001, A001 ,or a D001, but if there is, I haven't seen them yet.

    Brophy's Model 32
    Low 194 High 5957

    New numbers Model 32
    Low 182 High 5957


    Brophy's Model 38
    No-prefix Low 782 High 10938
    A -prefix Low A206 High A11389
    D -prefix Low D272 High D1739


    New Numbers Model 38
    No-prefix Low 6XX High 10983----------- note on low number- another with Marlin Rockwell supposedly lower than 782 but only showing XXX.
    A -prefix Low A206 High A11402--------- note on low number- an AXX and a AXXX that is supposed to be below A206.Nothing to substantiate yet.
    D -prefix Low D147 High D1923

    Also checked to see if there was any overlap with the model 93's and 94's. I found 4 matching numbers so far.

    ser#192 Model 32 and 94
    ser#873 Model 32 and 93
    ser#1313 Model 38 and 94
    ser#5503 Model 38 and 93

    Trends are still showing up, but finding more might change that.
    Last edited by Schtoolee; 05-09-2013 at 09:25 AM. Reason: Updated info
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    La'i-be'eeldoh=(many guns)-NRA Life - Marlin league #16, Minnesota MarlinOwners--Team's= Marlin Express, Levermatic, 35 Rem #68, 32 Special #4, 45-70 #28, 1894 #94,30-30 #131, 39 #39, 38-55 #39, X7 #47, 60 #120, Shotgun #3, 366-44 #2, 44-40 #37, 22 Mag #006, 356 #?, MR7 #3 pending-Finally an Updated Marlin Dates and Production sheets.-Marlin Model 32-38 Pump Project-LEVERMATIC Catalog pages 1955-69 -This is how I converted a Marlin pump 22, to new type mag tube.

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    Hi Schtoolee,
    Just joined the forum Mate.
    I am waiting for the paperwork to clear so that I can pick up a model 38 I just bought last week.
    It is as new an appears to have never been fired, so I was happy to part with some of my "gun money" to make it my own.
    It is pretty rare to see older Marlins in Australia, and especially one in this condition.
    I would love to send you the info you are chasing and will do so when I pick my 38 up.
    Good luck with your quest for information.
    Will.
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    Welcome William Henry to Marlin Owners. We have several Australian's here, and we are always happy, to have another.
    I have spotted a few 38's overseas, while doing my searching of the internet. A couple in the UK , one in New Zealand, and last night I spotted one in Australia.
    So that means, there are at least 2 over there.

    P.S. Also, not sure if you know or not. You only want to shoot standard velocity ammo though your 38. I shoot CCI brand, but any 22 S,L,Lr in the 1100 FPS or slower should work.
    The shorts at 710FPS are very quite. So while you are waiting, buy up a bunch of shells. Once you start shooting they wont last long.


    So, thank you for the help. And good luck with you new Marlin.
    Tom
    Last edited by Schtoolee; 07-08-2012 at 02:05 AM.
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    La'i-be'eeldoh=(many guns)-NRA Life - Marlin league #16, Minnesota MarlinOwners--Team's= Marlin Express, Levermatic, 35 Rem #68, 32 Special #4, 45-70 #28, 1894 #94,30-30 #131, 39 #39, 38-55 #39, X7 #47, 60 #120, Shotgun #3, 366-44 #2, 44-40 #37, 22 Mag #006, 356 #?, MR7 #3 pending-Finally an Updated Marlin Dates and Production sheets.-Marlin Model 32-38 Pump Project-LEVERMATIC Catalog pages 1955-69 -This is how I converted a Marlin pump 22, to new type mag tube.

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    Got some patented drawings in PDF format. Might help with those that need better picture of the insides. The first 4 are stamped on all Model 32's and Model 38's
    US1090351_Mar_17_1914.pdf
    US1110837_ Sept_15_1914.pdf
    US1146536_July_13_1915.pdf
    US1147659_July_20_1915.pdf
    US1150791_Aug_17_1915.pdf This is the Swebilius Sight, so this patent is not stamped on barrel.
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    La'i-be'eeldoh=(many guns)-NRA Life - Marlin league #16, Minnesota MarlinOwners--Team's= Marlin Express, Levermatic, 35 Rem #68, 32 Special #4, 45-70 #28, 1894 #94,30-30 #131, 39 #39, 38-55 #39, X7 #47, 60 #120, Shotgun #3, 366-44 #2, 44-40 #37, 22 Mag #006, 356 #?, MR7 #3 pending-Finally an Updated Marlin Dates and Production sheets.-Marlin Model 32-38 Pump Project-LEVERMATIC Catalog pages 1955-69 -This is how I converted a Marlin pump 22, to new type mag tube.

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    And of the next 4,I have only seen the first 2 stamped on the later Model 38's. And when the barrel says patents pending, these are it.
    US1412298_Apr_11_1922.pdf
    US1418862_June_6_1922.pdf
    US1587049_June_ 1_1926.pdf This is for a Button mag release that I have yet to see on a 38.
    US1702063_Feb_12_1929.pdf This is for the 2 type bolt. So far I have a bolt that came out of D752 and that is still the first type. So has to be in the later D's.


    Low and High Serial numbers updated on post 6. New Low in the D prefix.
    Last edited by Schtoolee; 07-16-2012 at 10:40 AM.
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