what do you clean your black powder guns with? i shoot real BP i know the standard to clean with has always been water. i do not like putting water on my guns! for a while i used WD40 to clean my flintlock rifles with, and it does work, but takes a lot of scrubbing. then i heard and old BP shooter say all he used was Windex. so, i tried it, it will melt the BP fouling out and make it disappear on contact! after you swab your bore with it and the cleaning patch it black, just give the patch a couple of squirts and the fouling will run off it and you can swab with it again. it is much better than the BP bore cleaner and a lot cheaper,,,,,,,,,,,