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Speer 35 cal Hot cor 180gr bullets-are they gone forever?

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Everywhere it says out of stock. I worte to Speer but no answer to this. Does anyone know the story on these? They work the best for my marlin 35
 
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I don't know what Speer plans....but that bullet was also one of my favorites. I tried buying as many as I could on Gunbroker....maybe got 3 boxes...then they dried up .....
Seems like Hornady bullets are leading the way in the ammo/ componets Recovery .....
 
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Those seasonal runs may be farther out than we want due to more popular calibers that are all already in the pipeline or are scheduled for a run in the future. I hope I'm wrong. My advise... If you want to hunt with a 35 buy any 35 caliber bullets intended for the 35 Remington when you see them up for sale. I saw some Hornady 200 gr RN on GB. They went for about $80 per box.
Yes that's outrageous but a year or two from now it might seem cheap. 35 rem bullets are now a investment.
 
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I have a single box of these Speer 180gr bullets. What load are you guys having luck with? I don't really want to shoot up the entire 100 looking for an accurate option!

I see those Hornady 200gr RN frequently on the shelves here in central MN. I guess I should grab a couple boxes while the getting is good. Just in case.
 
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Hodgdon data shows a load for the 180 grain bullet using 42 grains of Leverevolution with over 2300fps at the muzzle. I use 41.5 grains of IMR 3031 with even higher velocity. (This load is from Speer Reloading Data #7 from back in the 70's. It is no longer recommended probably because someone used it in an unsafe rifle like the Model 8 auto-loader for this jacked up load.) Nothing wrong with the Hornies is RN 200 grains. I just like the higher velocity and accuracy I get with the 180's. Good luck. (I used to work in Minneapolis. It was a beautiful city back in the 90's. Now, I wouldn't even consider going there, which makes me sad.)
 
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I wrote to Speer yesterday and this is the first I've seen this thread. I have had such wonderful success with the 180's for my 336 that it is hard to think I'll not be able to get more. The 180's are a lot tougher than their SD would indicate and prefer them to the Hornady FTX which seem to come apart rather easily in bigger game. I like the higher velocity with the 180's, too. Accuracy is excellent.(Check my 100 yard emoji)
Someone on the Marlin Forum mentioned Hawk bullets who also make the 180. However, the copper jacket is thinner and the lead core is softer which means deformation in firing causing pressure dangers or at least concerns. The cure would be to reduce the powder charge which doesn't appeal to me at all. I want my Hot Cors zipping out of my barrel at 2400 fps using a compressed powder charge with never a pressure indicator. Brass lasts forever and needs very little to no trimming even after a full length resize. I am going to buy the 50 piece Hawk 180 and work up some loads to check pressure and durability in target media. Stay tuned.
 
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You can read anything on the net. Buy the Hawks and try them , I think you will be pleased with them. You can custom order them with thicker jackets if you feel the need, might be required to buy several boxes .

I use the 200 g Core Lokt in my .35 Remington pump guns but I use the Speer 180 with 43 g H4198 in .358 Winchester in a BLR. Velocity is 2711 and they act like varmint bullets at that speed. I use that load because it is extremely accurate in that rifle . 2500 FPS or slower is a better speed for the Speer if you want it to stay together, the jacket on them is not real thick either.
 
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You see the one about Hawks reaching max pressure sooner than other bullets. The experience here, is that they do indeed reach max pressure sooner, requiring about 5% less powder to reach the same FPS (according to my chronograph), so saving you a lot of powder, $$, a win, win in my book. Hawks you can order any jacket thickness you want.
 
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…(This load is from Speer Reloading Data #7 from back in the 70's. It is no longer recommended probably because someone used it in an unsafe rifle like the Model 8 auto-loader for this jacked up load.)…
That would be the wrong assumption. Speer stated in #9 (published in 1974) that they had started using SAAMI pressure testing equipment - previously they used primer appearance, etc. So prior to that time they had no idea of the actual pressures of their loads. Current data is lower because that previous data was found to be over the SAAMI maximum pressure. Since Speer is a member of SAAMI they reduced the charges to be compliant. No conspiracies, lawyers or lawsuits required, just science.




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Can't ck.right now but think my Hodgdon data for the Speer 180 grain flat nose max is 45.7grain LVR.
I know a lot of MO members shoot 44 grain LVR with that bullet, and the Seria 200grain round nose as well.
 
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i use a 200gr RCBS fn gc at 1726fps(2400/tuft of dacron) from my 35/30-30. i have killed 3 deer with and i like it. it could easily go 2000fps+, but i have a whole pile of 2400 and dacron.
 
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#23 ·
Should have added the 180 Gr. Speer @ 2216 FPS is my favorite bullet for the 35 Rem. It is a thumper penetrates better that any bullet including the Speer 220 Gr.. I get a little over 17" every ones media is different so any where from 15.25 to 17 works for me. I believe the data and the results the media varies so there will be differences.

Kevin