looks good, personally, I would prefer a non checkered stock, but that is just my preference

 

Hope they use their pull to get more 35 Rem ammo produced. They could do it themselves and make a tidy bundle.

 

From the Field & Stream article: "it will also be chambered in .35 Remington, as I understand it. That’s good timing, since a couple major ammo makers (Federal and Remington) are again loading that classic cartridge."

Sounds like Ruger doesn't need to use their pull!

Looking at the left side of the receiver, I don't see any screw holes for a receiver (peep) sight. That's a bummer for me; if I were to get one of these it would mean finding a gunsmith who could d&t it....

~WH~

 

I'm sure this won't be popular here but I want a 360 buckhammer. I have 35 Remingtons already. The buckhammer is better in every way and is legal in more places. The ballistics are basicly identical. Actually, I hope they chamber both. It wouldn't really cost them anything. Make mine stainless and walnut with a short mag tube and end cap please.

John

 

I'm sure this won't be popular here but I want a 360 buckhammer.

Ruger has it's hands full right now, check back in a year or two or buy a Henry.

 

35 Rem for me. I am not too pleased about the new 35 caliber cartridge introduction. These companies keep reinventing the wheel for no other reason than to sucker folks into buying new stuff. How about making sure that there are enough components on the market and ammunition for the 35 rem. But then again I prefer nostalgic stuff over new stuff.

 

I'm a 35Rem guy too, have been since the 1970s but the guys in the mid-west who have to put up with the restrictions about rather short, straight walled case cartridges need a decent 35er too, so I welcome the new 360 BuckHammer round from Remington and anything else that promotes the wonder of the American style lever-action rifles, especially for those who have more recently grown up thinking that the AR15, AR10 and the myriad of new, bolt-action super cartridges are the way through the future. The 30-30 alone has arguably proved that they are highly capable in the hands of American hunters & sportsman. There is plenty of room for the Levergun and the best way to prove it is to put it in the hand of the hunter or the sportsman and let him/her go walk the woods with it or to spend an afternoon plinking with them. These rifles & carbines may not have the long distance capabilities that the super cartridge bolt and semi-auto guns do posses, but they have something going on that is distinctive in it's own right and is a joy to own and use. It's a gift to be able to own and to shoot these lever guns be they of old or new designed cartridges.

 

Most of my favorite cartridges are over 100 years old. The newest I own is a 358 winchester in a BLR takedown. What can I say I am an old fogey and proud of it.

 

We're peas in a pod, brother.

 

"Better in every way". There's a bold statement. How so?

 

Well for one thing, it has a rim to head space on. The small shoulder on 35 Rem can be problematic sometimes. Cast boolets seem to work easier with the rimmed-straight cases with heavy role crimps also. Factory ammo specs are slightly better. The parent case is the 30-30 while 35 Rem is its own thing. It will be legal in more states. It even "looks" the part. The only thing the 35 Rem is better for is auto, pump and bolt rifles because it has a rimless case (that's what it was designed for in the first place).

I get the 35 Rem is a great cartridge for sure. I own/have owned a few. The Buckhammer just has alot going for it in a lever/single shot rifle over the 35 Remington. Just like the 30-30 winchester is better in a lever/single shot over the 30 Remington.

John

 

New 336 in .35 REM here. I have found a few boxes locally. However I did buy online from a guy in PA last week. I called his contact number just to try and make sure it was legit. Now the rest of the story..,,,,,
He said “ I go over the border and 35 Ammo is everywhere in Canada. I pay the tariffs, and then resale at Gun shows. “ I sold 200 boxes” last weekend in PA.
So if it’s available “ everywhere “ in Canada why isn’t available here in the states”

I reload 7mm08 and second hand found some brass and Hornady bullets so I’m ok other than a worked up recipe. I know one thing I will pick up all my brass !

 

A spokesman from Remington that I saw on a video at the Shot Show said they are planning on using two new bullets in both .35s making it less complicated to serve both owners. A 180gr and a 200gr.

There is a market for the 360 without a doubt.

 

30-30 ammo is every were and cheap doesent seem much diff ballistic wise.so why all the fuss you just need to feel special or what ?

 

I don't dislike it,just don't think it's nessary. Heck,we can't get amo for the chambers we already have.

Both you guys must (like me), live in areas where any centerfire is legal for hunting. We are lucky. There are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of hunters who live in straight wall cartridge only states. For those people, the new .360 B is a fantastic option. They are not legally able to shoot .35 Rem or .30-30 Win (which is my go to). I would far rather shoot a cartridge based on .30-30 than .223 (350 Legend).

 

List of .35 caliber rifle cartridges that are obsolete or no longer chambered except by special order:

.35-20 Maynard
.35-40 Maynard
.35 WCF
.35 Whelen
.356 Winchester
.358 Winchester
.358 Norma Mag
.350 Remington Mag
.35 Newton
.35 WSL
.351 WSL

.400-.350 Nitro Express
.350 Rigby Rimless

9x57 Mauser
9x56 Mannlicher

List of .35 caliber rifle cartridges that outlived all the above:

.35 Remington (1906-present)

 

Buckmaster must be stopped before it kills off our beloved 35 Rem. There is a Blasphemer in our midst.
I'm sure the salesperson at Vista was in contact with Ruger regarding the new offering.

 

Watched a vid from shot show where the Remington rep stated that 360 buck hammer was actually leading them to produce more 35 rem for some reason (his explanation made no sense to me)

 

Bet it ends up in the first column of Rob's list.Think I have asked this question before, why do some states have the straight wall case rule?

 

why do some states have the straight wall case rule?

For Illinois I always thought that is was because most of the state is flat and a lot of treeless farm areas that would allow a bullet to carry long distances so they went to shotgun only.

 

The only rule for deer rifle in TN.it has to be centerfire.

 

Forgot to mention that Craig Boddington's article on the 360 Buckhammer had the 200 grain load doing 2,101 fps out of the 20" Henry Rifle.

 

I don't dislike it,just don't think it's nessary. Heck,we can't get amo for the chambers we already have.

 

Said it before in one of the several buckhammer threads, I’ll say it again, this caliber is a good introduction. I love the 35 Remington and I have a couple guns in that caliber, but I would buy a buckhammer if the price was right. I don’t hunt in a straight wall state, but this caliber will bring an increased focus on the .358 bullet for both the 360 buckhammer and 35 Remington reloader (plus the other 358 calibers). It shoots to 35 Remington ballistics. Yes, if you shoot a 35 REM already, maybe it’s not big deal to you. BUT, having a 30-30 parent cartridge, you would be remised as a reloader if you don’t see the benefit here. 35 REM is pretty much its own thing (you can’t form brass EASILY from some other cartridge. You can readily make 360 buckhammer from 30-30 brass that is all over the place and not going anywhere. That is a huge benefit to keep your shooting as a reloader.

 

I looked here to get more pictures and tech on the new rifle.

I am not on The Facebook, but I sure know no one here likes the new Marlin 336 Classic made by Ruger.

I'll never buy one as well.

I agree that the 1949 Marlin 336 Waffle Top is the last good Marlin made? This was 1949.

Bad guns after 1950?

 

My bad. I got this thread off track.

The new 336 will be a welcome add to the new Marlin rifle line for sure.

John

 

My bad. I got this thread off track.

The new 336 will be a welcome add to the new Marlin rifle line for sure.

John

It’s all good. I like to see the .35 guys get all defensive 🤣 I’m super excited Ruger has stepped up. I own 4 brands of rifles: Marlin, Henry, Winchester and Ruger. My Rugers are well built and stupid accurate. I have no doubt one of their 336s will eventually wind up in my safe. It’s only a matter of time. I’m going to wait for a shorter (16.5” or 18”) barrel Texan or Big Loop.

 

I'm a stainless guy myself these days. I also very much like the shorter mag tube with front cap look. Walnut and stainless like my 336 ss Ltd but with a pistol grip and 18-20 inch barrel(laminatedis ok). I have a win 94 pack rifle (30_30), 336 ssltd (35 Rem) and 338mx(blued finish) and love that look. They all shoot better than my full mag rifles also. Ruger, balls in your court. Serve it up!

John

 

I watched the video and the instant I saw the new 336 my first thought was "what the hell happened to the pistol grip? Looks like the butt stock/grip has a bad case of hemorrhoids!". Absolutely does NOT look right. I even played it back in several places to be sure but it looks like both the actual wood part of the grip is more pronounced and the grip cap is kinda a double layer affair that really sticks out there. The cap appears to have a base part that is the same diameter as the end of the wood at the grip then there's a kinda stepped second layer medallion on top of that. Honestly, I think if they had reduced the wood a bit to offset the added thickness of the grip cap it would look great. Instead they did the opposite and the wood part looks taller AND the grip cap is thicker. Totally throws off the symmetry. It's kinda nice that they slimmed down the forend but in a way, that makes the oversize pistol grip look even worse.

The quality of the wood in the videos I watched (4 or 5 different ones) all looked quite nice. Nothing fancy but just good clean black walnut stocks.

Oh, last thing that kinda bugged me. The checkering was kinda black or dark compared to the rest of the stock. Makes me wonder if it's laser cut or something like that. Maybe there's some stain on it? Not sure but didn't care for it.

Still, I'll be anxious to see one in person.

As for the 360 buckhammer (and 350 legend) caliber(s), I'm hoping the intent is not to drive the 35 Rem into obsolescence. I live in Missouri which is NOT a straight wall state and every single gun store it here has boxes and boxes of 350 legend but you can't even begin to find 35 Remington for close to two years now.

I keep wondering if the intent might not be to make 35 rem so hard to get that guys will start buying rifles in the new calibers to replace it?

Also, if it's Henry introducing the buckhammer, it very well could be a response to Ruger re-introducing the Marlin 336. The timing is perfect. Henry was likely reaping the benefits for years now with Remington screwing up Marlin then going out of business. Then introducing a new caliber legal in all 50 states that duplicates the classic 35 Remington? Heck yes it makes sense from a firearms manufactures standpoint. They are in it to sell guns, not ammo. I would bet money that all the gun companies sit around talking about recent trends in guns and dreaming of somebody coming up with some new caliber that will get thousands of customers to rush out and buy new rifles. I mean, that's exactly what happened with the 6.5 Creedmoore. Gun companies have sold thousands of rifles just because of the hype behind that one little "new" bullet that really does nothing new. Same could happen with the Buckmaster.

My only realistic hope is that at least components like bullets will be easier to get but what I'm REALLY hoping is that all the discussions and references and comparisons to the 35 Remington might bring THAT caliber back into the public eye as well. Kinda like how the 45-70 took off a couple decades ago. Much will depend on whether the new calibers claim to "equal" the 35 Rem performance or that they "beat" it. If all the hype is that the Buckmaster is the better caliber, I expect the 35 rem to be dead in a generation. If all the marketing is about duplicating it equaling the great 35 Rem then it could easily help revive it rather than kill it. Well just have to wait and see. Human nature and the desire to brag on your own product or "one up" the completion does not bode well for the 35 though.

 

I watched the video and the instant I saw the new 336 my first thought was "what the hell happened to the pistol grip? Looks like the butt stock/grip has a bad case of hemorrhoids!". Absolutely does NOT look right. I even played it back in several places to be sure but it looks like both the actual wood part of the grip is more pronounced and the grip cap is kinda a double layer affair that really sticks out there. The cap appears to have a base part that is the same diameter as the end of the wood at the grip then there's a kinda stepped second layer medallion on top of that. Honestly, I think if they had reduced the wood a bit to offset the added thickness of the grip cap it would look great. Instead they did the opposite and the wood part looks taller AND the grip cap is thicker. Totally throws off the symmetry. It's kinda nice that they slimmed down the forend but in a way, that makes the oversize pistol grip look even worse.

I guess maybe because I have a wider interest in guns than only Marlin lever guns I was already familiar with the Ruger style grip cap. You must mean this one:



That is a 1980 Ruger M77 with the red butt pad in .270 Winchester, the greatest cartridge of all time . I bought that rifle fresh out of graduate school because my new boss invited me on a hunt and my then modest collection of artillary including several Marlin lever guns was back home with my dad. I went to a nearby guns shop on a Friday at lunch time, bought the Ruger M77, bore sighted it that evening in my apartment with my new wife's help and then at exactly legal witching hour the next morning killed a nice buck at 30 yards.

The rest of the story. Oh, I was told to get something that shoots far. The .270 Winchester shoots far . And accurately enough. And then I took the buck at 30 yards, go figure. Having only been bore sighted I knew it was lucky the deer I got was up close enough. So a few weeks later I went to a range to finish sighting in. Laid the rifle on the bags, put in a white box Winchester 150 grain round and sent it downrange. Where did it go! An old lady shooting a bazooka sized rifle near me looked through her spotting scope and told me it was dead in the center. Disbelief! Four more shots went dead center. Took it out to 200 yards, now it was about .35 inches low. I reset zero for 200 yards and it has not been touched again since and is still dead zero at 200 yards now for 42 years. I got the scope at Montgomery Wards.

 

I have no animosity towards Buckhammer, I just don't want it to eliminate 35 Rem.

 

Some state have a straight walled cartridge rule for two reasons for the most part.
1. Anti gunners and legislators do not understand ballistics - period. They "feel" safer if the cartridge is straight walled as straight wall cartridges will not carry as far. Anybody who understands ballistics knows that this does not make much difference at all. It is all about the mass of bullet, its muzzle velocity, and the launch angle.
2. Pro-gun groups have been successful in converting shot gun only zones to allow straight wall centerfire Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, and Indiana have passed laws in the last five years allowing straight-wall cartridges in zones previously designated as shotgun- or muzzleloader-only

I wish Maine would do the same in the coastal areas. I live just few miles from areas where I must hunt with shotgun slugs.

 

My LGS has .35 Whalen sitting on the shelf. I've never held a rifle that takes that cartridge, but the gunsmith who works at Becky's gun shop swears on the .35 Whalen.

 

Yes 3Crows, the grip cap looks about the same. However, on your rifle, the back edge of the cap is right down against the main line of the stock where it belongs. On the new 336, from what I can see it REALLY sticks down a lot farther. I did a quick video search and screen shot a pic to show the difference. This video was Andy Larson from Skinner sights doing a review at the SHOT show. Not the best angle but it's pretty obvious its far from a normal grip/cap size or shape.

 

Dave, can you post a link to the Skinner video? I’d love to watch it…