YES......Our 1895's handle it just fine.
The "full pressure loads" wording concern me ....I haven't noticed that before from Remington..?

I just looked it up......states right on the box...."NOT FOR USE IN ALL RIFLES"......our Marlins are safe.

 

Can’t be to safe these days!!!

 

Yup your fine.

 

What would full pressure mean in a 45-70? Not safe in a trap door Springfield?

 

I would say NOT SAFE in a trapdoor.

 

Lyman puts the 45-70 into 3 sections according to action strength. the trapdoors the weakest the 1886's & the old marlin 1895's & the third being the new marlins & the rugers no 1. this is for safety & reloading

 

Yes, Lyman does separate the 45-70 into 3 levels. But some clarification is needed. First and foremost, the new Marlin's will not handle the pressure of the Ruger loads. You may want to do some research before posting potentially dangerous information. Not trying to offend you, just wanted to clarify one thing so no one gets injured.


Tim

 

A modern day Marlin 1895 is a hell for strong rifle.
The 300 is not one of the real hot loads. Marlin 1895 will shoot it easily.
The 300 might look strong while it is blowing up an old Springfield Trapdoor ect...
But modern Marlin lever actions can shoot hotter loads, and heavier bullets than the 300.

 

444Pistol you beat me to it. As you posted a Marlin will not handle Ruger number one loads at least not on my shoulder.

 

You mean the full pessure loads are OK in a ruger no.1 but not a new marlin 1895? I contacted a seller of this ammo & he said it was Ok to shoot in a new marlin

 

Full pressure loads are for people with a grudge against their shoulder. Trap Door loads will kill anything in North America.

 

going to follow this thread for sure...

 

I like the 'trapdoor' loads in my new 1895 Trapper.
I buy the 'cowboy action' factory loads, and I'm going to reload them to the lower end of the spectrum.

My shoulder is wimpy!

 

my err is lyman grouped the loads in 3 ways according to action strength 1. the old trapdoors or springfields 2. 1886 winnies & 1895 marlins. 3. ruger 1 & ruger 3. this the correct grouping. they do not say anything about the new 1895 marlins. I will contact Remington in the am & get some more info on this.

 

You're over thinking this and confusing handload data with factory ammunition. Remington's ammo is safe for a modern (post 1971) marlin 1895 which is what Lyman is referring to in category 2. Lyman makes the distinction they do for handloads that people look to them for information for.

The information you received from Remington is correct. Their factory loaded ammo is safe in Marlin 1895's (modern)

 

This is where I would ask Adam from Ranger Point Precision RPP to join in an provide facts surrounding the design limitations of the various 45-70 actions if he has a moment...:idea:

 

I contacted Remington Arms this am & asked for the ammo dept & asked them about the full pressure loads. their resonse was this ammo is OK to shoot in the new 1895 actions Marlins but not to use in the old springfields Or trapdoor rifles. The box is marked that way too.

 

Does it say how many grains are used? You could make sure that way. You might want to think about reloading, its much cheaper after you buy the equipment and you can tailor loads to what you want to do.

 

I have handloaded shells for 25 years. One load I use a lot for 45-70 is 300 gr GC cast bullet sized .459 & 34 gr of IMR 4198

 

I suspect that Lyman is being overly cautious regarding the #3 loadings. There are different 1895's in circulation. They (and their lawyers) are terrified that someone will insert one of their #3 loadings into a 100 year old Marlin 1895. The only remedy for that would be to add two more sub-categories - "Pre and post 1972 Marlin 1895" - to their manual. I can see why it's easier for them just to hold their position with regards to #1, 2 and 3. I myself would not be afraid to fire a #3 in my new production SBL but, having said that, there's really no valid reason to do so. Plenty of power with hot #2's...and like someone said above, there's no benefit in putting more stress on your rifle and abusing your shoulder.

 

Most of the reloading manuals provide data for the 45-70 cartridge stratified in the three categories noted above. The top-level loads designated for the Ruger #1 are not considered safe in any Marlin 1895. Personally, I do not use loads that are considered excessive pressure in any of my Marlins. The first thing behind that bolt is my head.

Dan

 

Had a few minutes and done some research. Found a thread with some info on the 1895's strength. Also the Lyman data I have list pressures for the 45-70 in C.U.P .
https://www.marlinowners.com/#/topics/532393?page=1

 

Think something may be missed in this thread, or, I simply did not see it! The Marlin 45-70 has a Maximum Cartridge Over All Length (COAL) of 2.550" (to be safely cycled in the Marlin action). The Ruger No.1 can chamber longer than 2.550" and that will most likely jam the Marlin Action. Second - the Marlin tubular magazine means you must use flat nose bullets. The Ruger No.1 is a single-shot rifle and can handle pointed nose bullets with much better ballistic coefficients.