Well, Hornady claims about the same for their 160 grain FTX ammunition.

3" high at 100 yards, close to dead-on at 200 yards, and a foot low at 300 yards.

So, why not?

Guy

 

Does Hornady also claim around 1300 ft lbs at 300 yards ?

 

Here's the Hornady data:

Test Barrel (24") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle	100	200	300
2400/2046	2150/1643	1916/1304	1699/1025

Trajectory (inches)
Muzzle	100	200	300
-1.50	3.00	0.20	-12.10

 

100 = 2150 fps/1643 ft-lbs
200 = 1916 fps/1304 ft-lbs
300 = 1699 fps/1025 ft-lbs

from the Hornady website

 

I'd be curious to see a link to ol' Paco's article on that. Have long appreciated the .30-30 as a mighty fine cartridge.

Regards, Guy

 

I wish I was more computer savvy to post a link but............ its at Paco Kelly Leverguns.com Go to general discussions and look for " Load needed for 110 gr sp 30/30 " He also lists many other calibers. Interesting reading :tee:

 

I wonder what the results would be for a shorty 336? I've never heard what the the 160 gr Hornady load velocity and energy tables might be from a standard 20" or even better from a 16" length barrel.....I don't know anyone who actually has a 30-30 with 24" barrel, although I know that is a current manufactured length.

 

Sometimes I hate computers... Google regular search type paco kelly 3000 fps 30/30 second listing should be the aforementioned " Load needed for 110 gr sp 30/30 " just click on it.. :vollkommenauf:

 

Sorry folks. No runon 12X scopes. They just are not needed for 300 yard shooting. 2 1/2-3 is adequate, 4 is plenty. Binocular to look, scope to aim.

 

Apparently you haven't looked thru my eyes.. :biggrin: Not to mention I get a commission on 12x scopes.. :biggrin:

 

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A number of things limit the range of the 30-30 to 100 or so yards. We have been told by gun writers and manufacture's ad copy that the 30-30 is a short range brush gun. Just remember that the gun writer needs something new to write about and the manufacture want to sell a new gun. The 30-30 is old news. Another issue is that the range is and should be limited by the shooter's ability. The shooter is the limiting factor and not the cartridge. If the shooter believes that his gun will only shoot 100 yards........or tells his wife that because he wants a new Whiz-Bang Magnum, then it's a self fulfilling prophecy. And lastly, the gun media would have us believe that in the last 30 to 40 years deer have become virtually bullet proof......It takes much more gun to take deer than it did 50 years ago.:biggrin: :biggrin:

I have personally seen 3 inch groups at 300 yards from Marlin lever guns, and that with iron sights (aperture sights). In the hands of a good rifleman the Marlin (and Winchester) lever guns will amaze many shooters who should know better. If you don't believe it go to the Quigley Matches this weekend in Montana or the Happenz lll next month in Washington.
:tee:

 

This article? Link: 30-30 Varmint Loads

Yes, good stuff right there. I like ol' Paco's writing.

Regards, Guy

 

Leverguns - An American Heritage

+1 Guy, Paco's site contains alot of good reading and information. I find myself rereading from time to time.

 

Just a thought from across the pond. The 130 gr is good out to 200yds (on Roe Deer), plus or minus 2" above or below line of site with 1000 ft ibs bullet energy at 200yds if I want greater range I would take my .308 or 300 win. Shooting live game at extended range with a bullet at 30-30 velocities, wind drift not bullet drop or expansion could well be the greatest problem, still all things can be done with the right windidge & elevation. We must not lose sight of the fact we are shooting live game and a 1 shot kill is the goal. Just a view from a UK game keeper & deer manager ?. How do you manage Deer, well a 336 is a great help and I would not part with mine as a working rifle. Bullet name..................... Speer Flat SP
Bullet weight................... 130 grains
Bullet diameter................. 0.308 inches
Muzzle velocity................. 2500 ft/sec
Ballistic coefficient........... 0.248
Line of sight above bore axis... 2.00 inches
Zero............................ 0.0 inches at 180.0 yards
Crosswind....................... 10.0 mph from 90 degs
Temperature..................... 60 deg F
Altitude........................ 300 ft
Sights zeroed at 0 degs
Firing angle.................... 0 deg
Cant angle...................... 0 deg


Range Velocity Energy Flight Drop Maks Path Drift Click Click
time height up side
[yds] [ft/s] [ft.lbs] [ins] [ins] [ins] [ins]
===============================================================================
0 2500 1804 0.000 0.0 -2.0 -2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
25 2414 1682 0.030 0.2 -0.8 -0.4 0.1 4.5 0.9
50 2331 1568 0.062 0.7 -0.6 0.8 0.4 -4.5 2.0
75 2248 1459 0.095 1.7 -0.4 1.6 0.9 -6.0 3.2
100 2168 1357 0.129 3.1 0.0 2.0 1.6 -5.6 4.4
125 2089 1260 0.164 4.9 0.5 1.9 2.5 -4.3 5.6
150 2012 1168 0.201 7.2 1.2 1.4 3.6 -2.5 6.7
175 1936 1081 0.238 10.1 2.0 0.3 5.0 -0.4 7.9
180 1921 1065 0.246 10.7 2.1 -0.0 5.3 0.0 8.2
200 1862 1000 0.278 13.5 2.9 -1.4 6.6 1.9 9.2
225 1790 925 0.319 17.6 4.1 -3.7 8.6 4.6 10.7
250 1721 855 0.362 22.4 5.6 -6.8 10.9 7.5 12.2
275 1654 789 0.407 28.0 7.3 -10.5 13.5 10.7 13.7
300 1588 728 0.453 34.3 9.2 -15.1 16.4 14.0 15.2

 

Most everyone in my part of the country is into high pressure calibers. I only had a 30-30 while in Vet school and had no scope. I regularly was able to make an across the alfalfa shot at my buck. That was 190 to 200 yards. It was easy as we knew the distance and practiced it. With a scope, I feel like I'm cheating. My boy and I regularly shoot steel at higher yardages and don't feel ill equipped. Its particularly easy with the LEV ammo. This doe was from a couple of years ago at the onset of doe season. it was -10 I believe, and didn't want to spend too much time outside.

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/336/60138-draw-your-own-conclusion.html

Draw your own conclusion...

On the first, I decided to try out my new 336BL. I've been impressed with its cast boolit accuracy despite my NOT firelapping. I've got an employee that has a father with heart failure, and has enjoyed a low fat deer every year since his awakening as to the health of eating deer meat. I still lacked that deer! I went out to behind his house and sat at the hedge row shivvering for a full 5 min. before they broke out of the timber down by the pond at the right of the pic. I had the 336BL and the 308MX, but tried out the 336, since its what I had sighted in out to 300 yards two days prior. This is the result...

Hornady LE ammo
Sighted in at 3 inches high at 100 yards.
Held about 11 inches high (slower gun than 2400fps)
267 yard shot
DRT--slightly quartering away.

Never could have done this with my core lokts

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The day has come with ammo has more to do with animl recovery than the individual gun. My 336SS can hit at 300 yards, but not as accuately as this 336BL. My 336CB is the most accurate gun I have, but its a plinker.​

 

You gotta be a real 30-30 aficionado to take'er out to 300 yards with any hope of bringing meat home and not leaving a wounded animal in the woods.

Most of us can't do it, or wouldn't try it. Hopefully others will not be empowered by this article into thinking it is common practice and/or a common sense approach to hunting with 30-30.

 

Not to wander too far off of OP's original post, those who also enjoy the .356, .358, .35 Whelen and .375 Win will most certainly also enjoy some of Paco's wrtings on these great cartridges.

 

i am a great fan of pacos righting i really enjoy his stuff on the 45/70 and the 41 magnum also i have read a lot of his articles they are good sources of general info but approach his load data with extream caution

 

As much as I enjoyed reading about his 300 yard load I was more impressed at the retention of 1325 ft lbs of energy at that range. I'm curious at what distance it would be when it fell to the 1,000 ft lb mark.. I don't hunt anymore but if I would start again that seems to be the " magic number " that someone came up with for a reasonably clean kill. I'm not sure " they " specified whether it was any animal in particular or just a general blanket statement. When I did hunt here in NE Pa my longest shot was at a running deer at about 75 yards. All the rest were in the 50 to 75 yard range. I didn't give 30/30's the time of day back then opting instead for a way oversized 30-06 for deer hunting. Even used a 125 gr for groundhogs. Yes, it was enough gun :biggrin: Now I wouldn't think of an 06 for almost any hunting.. My, how things have changed...

 

The load data. The deer with exit wound at point of impact. Looking back at my blind I shot from (this blind is mounted on an 8ft long trailer). The gun. I aimed 1 foot over his back, I do know this gun.

 

Finally found the article...

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3030again.htm

 

Finally found the article...

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3030again.htm

That's a great read but its not the one I had in mind though he does mention the 110 gr bullet. I again apologize for my computer ineptness. I tried for about 20 minutes to find it myself and couldn't locate it. He references a lot more calibers in the one I had in mind. However, this one certainly gets the point across.. I thought others might find his mention of other calibers interesting. If someone could pm me as to how to post the link please do so. Its just one of those thongs I haven't learned yet. :hmmmm:

 

Mighty fine article - and interesting - but is it the one the OP referenced?

Hard to say. Sure wish he'd post a link to the article he's using. Love my .30-30, and am always interested in learning more about loading for the grand ol' cartridge.

Our old friend BestLever must have read those PO Ackley books, because his .30-30 was re-chambered for the AI version, and he doted on the 130 gr Speer... Perhaps my Glenfield needs a similar treatment?

Regards, Guy

 

There are quite a few of PACO's articles here....
Paco Kelly

Enjoy!
w30wcf

 

30 wcf
thanks for the link you just provided me with hours of great reading thank you i am a great fan of paco

 

You are most welcome. I am too! Thankfully I have a copy of his Leverguns, An All American Heritage book he wrote back in the 80's. Unfortunately, his wife, Barbara passed away a few weeks ago.

w30wcf

 

If u know how to shoot, you can take deer at 300 yards ,especially wth the FTX, Look at what the old Buffaloe hunters did with the black powder mortar rounds at long range. Most people don't shoot enough with a 30-30 at ranges over 100 yards to know what it will do. A lot of people today just plain don't know how to shoot. Ballistics won't make up for a lack of farmiliarity and range time.

 

I like to read Paco's articles.

He does mention some fairly warm loads, so don't just blindly copy the load and expect it to work fine. He does warn you the loads are worked up in his guns, and that you need to start lower and work up.

Robert