This, 16.5 grs of 110 under a 158 XTP and you're in buisness for under 100 yards. Even more important is shot placement, I tell my son (who shoots those loads in his 1894) to only take broad side, quartering to or head on shots, no quartering away. A little note though, don't shoot them in those new wiz bang feather weight stubbies, they hurt in those lil buggers. I know I've handed them to a few loud mouths at the range and watched the fun.