Well that's stupid!

 

I feel if you are of hunting age you can buy a hunting guns like .22's, shot gun, bolt action , pump or lever, when you are 25 years old you can get hand guns and center fire auto loaders
your brain is not done cooking until 25 and you don't have to have an auto loader for hunting until WE KNOW YOU ARE NOT CRAZY

 

I feel if your old enough to die for your country, you’re old enough to own any firearm you want. Would you also like to change the age to 25 for military service ? Shall not be infringed ! What does that mean to you. This outrage will soon be challenged.

 

It often comes to mind, that almost all shooters lack the appreciation, of what killing is about. Combat infantry vets and first responders being the probable exception. A lot of this could perhaps be stopped if buyers of high capacity guns had to go thru a safety/awareness course, much like young hunters, where they are shown just what these rifles can do to a human body, to a group of humans, to include the accompanying screams of pain, fear the blood and associated horrors. The mental abuse heaped upon family, friends and community by the shooter. Indeed the average mom or dad who has to worry a little each day. Perhaps limit the amount of acting out thru the use of deadly force, because the act and the horror of it are now understood.

This is no going to stop all the folks found on the continuum between a degree of anti social personality disorder, moving up to a true sociopaths, thankfully there are reliable ways for society to detect most of these.

 

They sit there and tell that the gun violence is so bad, but they won't let you buy body armor?

 

Outlawing safety equipment, now that's a special type of stupid.

 

Yeah outlawing PPE is absurd but then again those politicians are dumber than an amoeba.

Meanwhile they issue their decrees while hiding behind armed men many of which likely are using the items they want to prohibit.

 

 

Reminds of what Reagan said about government.
Jack

 

Many more people were shot in Chicago, Milwaukee and other cess pools, than were shot in these tragic crimes involving innocent victims, that the media seems to drool over.
Instead of making more useless laws, just enforce the laws that have been already made.
Andrew

 

Make murder illegal, enforce or restore the death penalty. Provide a deterrent, the current slap on the wrist trend in sentencing is contributing to crime. Hold Judges and Prosecutors liable for releasing violent criminals and repeat offenders back in to the Community.

A few 'common sense' solutions to violent crime. You want to pass Laws? Pass some that will really work.

 

The public is tired of hearing about mass shootings and they are scared.....and they should be. My first hunting rifle was a Remington semi-auto 30.06 bought in 1970. I bought a semi-auto because I wanted reduced recoil. It has a 4 round clip that I have never emptied when shooting at a deer. We're going to have a lot of laws passed that aren't going to look at the whole picture because the public is scared. As for body armor, they should regulate it just like full autos.
I sent the following note to an Iowan state legislator:
'I came back from vacation only to discover that Iowa has passed a bill that makes the 223 caliber a legal caliber to shoot deer in the special Jan. season. The popular gun magazines have all said that the 223 is good enough to kill a deer....and most specify only out to a 100 yards.
I'm not an expert in deer hunting but I have a few years of it under my belt. I started deer hunting in 1965 using a side by side double barrel 20 gauge - I was lucky to hit a pie plate at 25 yards. I also started bow hunting in 1967 using a 42 lb. Puma recurve bow and cedar shaft arrows. Throughout the years, I've hunted using shotguns, rifles (semi-autos, lever action, single shot), black powder rifles, recurve and compound bows, and crossbows. I have hunted in several states too.
I have several concerns with Iowa's deer hunting regulations - I'll try to narrow the scope. I don't have a problem allowing semi-autos as long as there is a reasonable limit to magazine capacity. I have always felt that Iowa should place a limit of 3 shells on shotguns for deer hunting. I use a specialized barrel and can easily hit a 100 yard target with my shotgun. But anyone who has takes deer hunting seriously, knows that after two shots, your chance of hitting a running deer is just about zero. In all my years of hunting, I can only think of one time where I made a third shot. I have often heard several Iowan hunters shoot 4 or 5 times each at the same running deer (25 to 30 shots) ....probably no one came close to hitting it but they certainly put a lot of lead in the air.
Back to the 223 caliber issue.....I suppose if your shot is under 100 yards, and the deer is standing broadside, and standing still (and the moon is lined up with Mars, etc.), a 223 would be an acceptable choice. I can only guess that this caliber was made legal to legitimize the use of assault style rifles.
I have an old SKS (guess I would consider it an assault rifle) that is a souvenir from a long ago war that is chambered in 9.62. It is a crudely made firearm that wasn't particularly accurate passed 100 yards but the caliber was very effective for killing our guys. I would never consider using this weapon for deer hunting even if I accuratized it.

What is wrong with Iowa? Where are the sportsmen (and women) on this issue? If you are going to allow assault rifles for deer hunting, at least require that they be chambered in a sufficient caliber to humanely kill the animal. Frankly, if someone is so inclined to use an assault rifle for deer hunting, they should consider stopping by the recruiter's office and signing up....they'll have lots of opportunity to shoot an assault rifle (and the ammo will be free). '

So I expect that there will be other states who will try to legitimize assault rifles in the 223 caliber for hunting. These are the same folks who believe that the election was stolen, Covid vaccines have micro-chips so that the deep state can track you, Jan. 6th was just a bunch of happy people and the ones who attacked the Capital were all undercover FBI, or the attack on the Capital never really occurred. No doubt Carl Sagan in 1995 was correct in his prediction of 'the dumbing down of America'.

But back to this forum - I've read everything from 'my old buddy is dying' to who started the Civil War. I really think (including myself) that we need to get back to task at hand....our affection for Marlins.

 

The public is tired of hearing about mass shootings and they are scared.....and they should be. My first hunting rifle was a Remington semi-auto 30.06 bought in 1970. I bought a semi-auto because I wanted reduced recoil. It has a 4 round clip that I have never emptied when shooting at a deer. We're going to have a lot of laws passed that aren't going to look at the whole picture because the public is scared. As for body armor, they should regulate it just like full autos.
I sent the following note to an Iowan state legislator:
'I came back from vacation only to discover that Iowa has passed a bill that makes the 223 caliber a legal caliber to shoot deer in the special Jan. season. The popular gun magazines have all said that the 223 is good enough to kill a deer....and most specify only out to a 100 yards.
I'm not an expert in deer hunting but I have a few years of it under my belt. I started deer hunting in 1965 using a side by side double barrel 20 gauge - I was lucky to hit a pie plate at 25 yards. I also started bow hunting in 1967 using a 42 lb. Puma recurve bow and cedar shaft arrows. Throughout the years, I've hunted using shotguns, rifles (semi-autos, lever action, single shot), black powder rifles, recurve and compound bows, and crossbows. I have hunted in several states too.
I have several concerns with Iowa's deer hunting regulations - I'll try to narrow the scope. I don't have a problem allowing semi-autos as long as there is a reasonable limit to magazine capacity. I have always felt that Iowa should place a limit of 3 shells on shotguns for deer hunting. I use a specialized barrel and can easily hit a 100 yard target with my shotgun. But anyone who has takes deer hunting seriously, knows that after two shots, your chance of hitting a running deer is just about zero. In all my years of hunting, I can only think of one time where I made a third shot. I have often heard several Iowan hunters shoot 4 or 5 times each at the same running deer (25 to 30 shots) ....probably no one came close to hitting it but they certainly put a lot of lead in the air.
Back to the 223 caliber issue.....I suppose if your shot is under 100 yards, and the deer is standing broadside, and standing still (and the moon is lined up with Mars, etc.), a 223 would be an acceptable choice. I can only guess that this caliber was made legal to legitimize the use of assault style rifles.
I have an old SKS (guess I would consider it an assault rifle) that is a souvenir from a long ago war that is chambered in 9.62. It is a crudely made firearm that wasn't particularly accurate passed 100 yards but the caliber was very effective for killing our guys. I would never consider using this weapon for deer hunting even if I accuratized it.

What is wrong with Iowa? Where are the sportsmen (and women) on this issue? If you are going to allow assault rifles for deer hunting, at least require that they be chambered in a sufficient caliber to humanely kill the animal. Frankly, if someone is so inclined to use an assault rifle for deer hunting, they should consider stopping by the recruiter's office and signing up....they'll have lots of opportunity to shoot an assault rifle (and the ammo will be free). '

So I expect that there will be other states who will try to legitimize assault rifles in the 223 caliber for hunting. These are the same folks who believe that the election was stolen, Covid vaccines have micro-chips so that the deep state can track you, Jan. 6th was just a bunch of happy people and the ones who attacked the Capital were all undercover FBI, or the attack on the Capital never really occurred. No doubt Carl Sagan in 1995 was correct in his prediction of 'the dumbing down of America'.

But back to this forum - I've read everything from 'my old buddy is dying' to who started the Civil War. I really think (including myself) that we need to get back to task at hand....our affection for Marlins.

The AR-15 is a MSR( Modern Sporting Rifle). It is a semi automatic weapon. Not a Assault weapon. I use my AR-15 chambered in .556 x 45 to hunt Coyotes and Wild Boar. Modern Militaries use Assault weapons. Some are chambered in .556 or .308 and usually have a full auto or 3 shot burst switch setting. You have to have deep pockets, a FFL Tax Stamp and go through a mountain of paper work to own one of those. For these reasons I do not think Iowa and other states are trying to legitimize assault weapons for hunting.

 

Had Hochul and her lackeys taken an interest in enforcing laws already on the books when that disturbed racist first threatened to shoot up a school he never would have had the gun to kill those good people in Buffalo. Anyone still doubt their real aim to disarm the law abiding citizens not actual criminals?

 

Making new laws is asinine. Murder is already a crime. The trial and punishment should be carried out swiftly and with certainty.
The police should not have to be worried about offending someone, or hurting their feelings, or worry about civil law suits against them, for doing their job.
People should be allowed to defend themselves and others from harm, by whatever means they have available, without interference or retribution from the government.
An armed society is a polite society.
Andrew

 

Here's a news flash for anyone who thinks that gun laws will keep criminals from getting guns...

They keep getting their illegal drugs, the same way they will keep getting all those "illegal" guns. Law abiding citizens are more out-gunned than ever before.

Wake up America... gun laws only affect law abiding citizens. Don't give up your gun rights for the false hope of "safety" and "security".

 

#1 - An AR is not necessary an Armalite Rifle. The abbreviation AR stands for Armalite Rifle. Rifles that are designed after the Armalite Rifle are called AR's.

#2 - Also you cannot compare shootings in Chicago and other areas with the shooting in Uvalde. When two gang bangers or dope dealers start shooting at each other on Chicago's south side it is totally different than a person that walks into a school classroom and shoots 11 children hiding under their desks. To compare the two is idiotic.

 

"But back to this forum - I've read everything from 'my old buddy is dying' to who started the Civil War. I really think (including myself) that we need to get back to task at hand....our affection for Marlins."
This forum is, as I understand it, is about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Most of us like our Marlins as well as our modern sporting rifles, and all of our other "assault weapons", if that's what you think they are, but the main theme revolves around the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
Our country is presently headed for some very trying times, and whether we think Biden really got 85 million votes, or if an AR type rifle is really an "assault weapon" isn't going to mean much before this war is over with, and I do believe this is a war declared on us by this current government.
Fact is, no matter what any of us believe, if this current government (un-elected in the view of millions of Americans), wants to outlaw either AR type rifles, Marlins, and everything else, they are gonna have to take them, and that is going to split this country into pieces...which may be a good thing at this point, I don't know, but it's gonna happen sure as the sun comes up in the east.
IMO, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is essential to preserving what is left of this Republic, whether it's Marlins or "Assault Weapons".
I'm sticking to the laws of this Republic whether we get an elected Constitutional government back in place, or not... I don't really care at this point what anybody thinks is an "assault weapon", or if anybody thinks the 2nd Amendment is only about hunting or target shooting. That's an educational problem IMO, and that is covered under the 1st Amendment...the right to educate yourself.

 

"But back to this forum - I've read everything from 'my old buddy is dying' to who started the Civil War. I really think (including myself) that we need to get back to task at hand....our affection for Marlins."
This forum is, as I understand it, is about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Most of us like our Marlins as well as our modern sporting rifles, and all of our other "assault weapons", if that's what you think they are, but the main theme revolves around the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
Our country is presently headed for some very trying times, and whether we think Biden really got 85 million votes, or if an AR type rifle is really an "assault weapon" isn't going to mean much before this war is over with, and I do believe this is a war declared on us by this current government.
Fact is, no matter what any of us believe, if this current government (un-elected in the view of millions of Americans), wants to outlaw either AR type rifles, Marlins, and everything else, they are gonna have to take them, and that is going to split this country into pieces...which may be a good thing at this point, I don't know, but it's gonna happen sure as the sun comes up in the east.
IMO, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is essential to preserving what is left of this Republic, whether it's Marlins or "Assault Weapons".
I'm sticking to the laws of this Republic whether we get an elected Constitutional government back in place, or not... I don't really care at this point what anybody thinks is an "assault weapon", or if anybody thinks the 2nd Amendment is only about hunting or target shooting. That's an educational problem IMO, and that is covered under the 1st Amendment...the right to educate yourself.

First of, I you want to understand what an assault rifle is, it is the one you use to threaten or cause harm to another individual or masses. So, until you use an object to threaten and or cause harm it is nothing more than an object. Otherwise we need to outlaw bats, knives, spoons, cars, trucks, commercial airplanes, crowbars, and the list goes on " I'm sure you get the idea" because every single one of these "objects" have been used one time or another to threaten and or cause harm to someone. However, if the law required that everyone "healthy enough" to serve a term in the military like several other countries and then upon completion of their tour of duty were also permitted to keep their service firearm "like several other countries" the crime rate would be greatly reduced. "Just like thos other countries". Very very few criminals or otherwise ever take the risk of committing violent crimes when they absolutely know that the victim or victims can and will shoot back. Its human nature. Yes there will always be the few that are mentally dislodged enough to not care but then that is where our idiotic government needs to get their heads out of their backsides and pay way more attention to the mental health issues of our citizens. They are go about our safety the wrong way. Mentally dislodged people and criminals dont give a tinker's damn about law or right and wrong, that's why they are called criminals. "THEY DON'T CARE". The latest school shooting was mentioned and I wonder how many people caught the interview with the young man's mother. When said, "please don't judge him, I'm sure he had his reasons". Now you tell me what reasons could anyone have to do such a terrible thing??? His mother is grieving and I get it. It would break my heart if one of my sons did such a thing. But I would never try to justify it in any way. Period. Next, what the hell is going on?? Since that idiot we have as president has been in office our country has had more firearm related deaths in history. Is he in some way behind it!! One begins to wonder. What better way to get the people to back you up then to generate your own reasons to be backed up. Taking away our Second Amendment isn't going to make us safer, it's going to make each and everyone of us victims. You take away our firearms and you've just given the government the ability to come a second Hitler. And I can promise that is exactly what that crazy man is after. He is a power hungry radicalism. There is no such thing as a perfect man and there fore no perfect president, but Biden is by far one of the most dangerous ones we've ever had. When will this country ever learn that it us the firearms that won our freedom and the minute they are out of the hands of the people we lose that freedom. We are supposed to be citizens with rights, not subjects with privileges. If you want privileges move to England. Wake up people and write to every politician you can think of and let them know how you feel and how you will vote if they don't back OUR Second Amendment. Lastly, limiting magazine capacity. Crazy. I personally have no use for a 30 round bag, waste of ammo and expensive by default. If you have it you're going to use it and that gets expensive. But that's me and if you want to have and rapid fire 30 rounds or more then by gosh you should be permitted to. It's your money and no one has the right to tell you you can't. Anyway, forgive me for such a long reply but I could go on for hours on this. So much is wrong with our government and we need to stop sitting on our hands and stand up for our "RIGHTS". Btw, I love many Marlin 1895 SDG. Number 140 of 500 ever made. And original JM Marlin. Beautiful piece of history and art.

 

Everybody is entitled to their opinion. When I read blatantly out-of-touch tripe like this, I hit the 'ignore' button. Nothing this person may have to say will enrich my life or increase my education. So I've deleted his input.

 

Wasting time and resources. Horrifying as Uvalde and any other school shootings, as well as all the other mass shootings, on a national basis rifle and full length shotguns are responsible for at most 3 to 5 percent of all the murders committed.
What they don't say is how many home based robberies, burglaries, and related home defense scenarios were averted by the usage of the above rifles and shotguns by homeowners and residents, to say nothing of farmers and ranchers who deal with large pests and predators with rifles and shotguns much like the ones NYS laws will affect.

NRA, diminished as it is, maintains a record of thousands of incidents of home invasions assaults and robberies averted by ordinary people, "The Armed Citizen". Some of those incidents the victim was 10, 15, 18 years old and defending Mom, Dad, bro, sis from hostile invaders. Several of these involved AR15s. Perhaps they should all have waited till they made 25 years of age, then, grinning like idiots, mailed in their permission slips while their family members are screaming for their lives ?

 

Who amongst you that think "laws" will solve this problem should ask what happened to all the other laws that was supposed to solve this problem.

The SAFE act of 2013 was created and passed 5 minutes to midnite on a Friday night, voice vote, no debate. Based on the Fed Assault Weapons Ban, cut the number of "allowed" cosmetic "features" from three to one, where taking a detachable magazine is counted as one. Restricted ammo sales and deliveries to state FFLs only. Orignal language restricted capacity to 7 rounds, no LEO exemption. Created a state permit system for ownership mostly restricted to retired LEOs.

Assault Weapons Ban 2010 Also based on the Fed Assault Weapons Ban, codified "features" restricted capacity to 10 rounds.

Sullivan Act 1911 created the "may issue" permit to possess only, Original language had no concealment option but had LEO exemption.

 

If all three laws were enforced with harsh prison sentences, none of the crimes would be happening. Thanks to no bail and short sentences, there is no real punishment... if you're a Democrat.

 

I guess according to Orkchul this is legal as the chances are good even if this guy gets arrested he won't get charged or even have to post bail. They might even give him the gun back.

Shocking video shows man brazenly open fire on Brooklyn street

In footage provided by the NYPD, the man could be seen firing away indiscriminately from an apartment stoop of 1607 Prospect Pl. in Crown Heights just after 7 p.m.

nypost.com

 

Just what is an "assault " rifle?!
Please define exactly.
No dumbass answers!

 

It's just typical isn't it? How about they make a law, if you're caught with a gun on school grounds you goto prison and if you shoot someone on school grounds you get the death penalty?

Again, not a single law passed to deter criminals, only laws to take away/restrict legal gun owners.

I've posted this in several forums responding to similar discussions..we have a mental health crisis in the U.S. ...

 

68% of the 45,222 are suicides and 20% are gang on gang murders, they never talk about the LIVES SAVED by guns or OD death or DWI death because if they did the number of "gun-related" death will look VERY small

 

Here's another example of a certain demographic receiving kid glove treatment. This fool struggled with a cop, shot himself and by proximity shot a cop, admittied to owning the gun (illegally) body camera footage corroborating the event, and County DAs STILL not wanting to prosecute.

Charges dropped against Bronx drill rapper C Blu in NYPD shooting case

A Bronx drill rapper will face no charges in connection with his arrest earlier this year that ended with the cop wrestling him to the ground getting shot, the Daily News has learned. The dropped c…

www.nydailynews.com

 

Friendly reminder, this forum is not a "2nd Amendment for me but not for you" forum. This is not a "reasonable restriction" forum. This is not a "you dont need to own it" forum. The 2nd Amendment is absolute, and we support The Right To Keep And Bear Arms here. You can have an opinion on your favorite food, music, or even your favorite Marlin. What we will not tolerate here is any support for further restriction on RKBA/2A. We do not allow leftists here, not even moderate fence sitters. It's a 100% permanent bannable offense for LIFE.


PS. There is no such thing as an assault weapon except the one I'm assaulting you with.