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Hawes Western Marshal revolvers

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I took a chance on a very nice Hawes Western Marshal in .45 Colt this weekend at a gun show. It is a single action revolver made in Germany by J.P. Sauer & Sohn for Hawes Firearms. I wasn't sure what I had so I started researching the Hawes Marshal line. The general consensus seems to be that they are decent quality guns. As far as I can tell, they were made in .22LR, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, and .45 Colt (some with 45ACP cylinder). Hawes was in business from about 1967 to 1980. The serial numbers used in these guns can't be dated very well, it seems. The serial numbers use a format of either XXXXX/# or #/XXXXX, where the # is a single digit, 2 through 8, that denotes the caliber. So a serial number of 12345/3 would be a .357 Magnum. I looked online to examples of these guns and made note of their calibers and serial numbers. In all I looked at 40 guns. It became clear that 2 was for a .22LR, 3 was for a .357 Magnum, 4 was for a .44 Magnum, and 5 was for a .45 Colt.

The gun I bought had a serial number of XXXX/8. More searching resulted in learning that my gun, with adjustable sights, was referred to as a Chief Marshal, even though it isn't marked as such (some clearly are). I found only 9 examples of Chief Marshal's online and found their serial numbers indicated chambering by a 6 for .357 Magnum, a 7 for .44 Magnum, and an 8 for .45 Colt. It appears that the Chief Marshal was introduced in 1969 and there seems to be far fewer of them than the other fixed sight models. I found only 4 in .357, 3 in .44, and 2 in .45 (including mine).

I haven't taken any pictures yet, sorry. Do any of you have experience with these guns?
 
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It is a little odd looking, especially the plow handle grip. Feels okay in the hand though. Here's a link to a picture of one.


Here are pics of my gun.





Mine is roll marked Western Marshal. It appears that the earlier guns with adjustable sights were first called the Western Marshal Target Model and later the Chief Marshal.

 
#6 ·
These were essentially Colt copies built on a slightly larger frame capable of handling the 44 Magnum. I owned several in the 70’s-80’s, in 44 Mag & 45 Colt; they had smooth actions, good triggers and they all shot precisely to the sights- by no means a given with fixed-sight revolvers, by any manufacturer. They have a comfortable grip frame similar to the Single Action Army, but with lots of room for the knuckle of the middle finger.

Weihrauch GmbH of Germany acquired manufacturing rights for these revolvers and procured a license from Ruger to include a transfer bar mechanism. European American Armory imports these updated Western Marshals as the ‘Bounty Hunter’. Otherwise, the internals are basic SAA and they load & eject on half-cock like God and Sam Colt intended.

 
#7 ·
I bought a similar one several years ago. It was labeled Silver City Marshal. As mentioned, a copy of the Colt SAA, only slightly larger. This one has a 6" barrel. Barrel, cylinder, and ejector rod and housing are blued, the frame, hammer, and trigger are bright nickel, the grip straps are brass, and the grips are synthetic pearl (pearlite). Fixed sights, and chambered in 44 Magnum. Seems to shoot as well as any other single action I've had. Regrettably, it doesn't get shot much.
 
#8 ·
It's a SAA clone. I've past them up in the past. JP Sauer is a good name along with made in Germany. I assume they are as good as the Italian copies. My reason for never buying one is because of resale value. However, everything lately has gone up in price.

Please leave a review. I always wondered about that revolver. I've yet to know anyone who has shot one.
 
#12 ·
I currently have two of the 22s, and have had several of the 44s and 357s over the last decade. Decent guns that I usually get fairly cheap as most people don't know about them. The other thing to keep in mind is when you need parts the HY-hunter parts will interchange. Theu are larger than a Colt but less bulky than a Ruger, They are nowhere near as strong as a Ruger, don't think the increased size lets them handle Ruger level loads. I only shoot specials in my 44s
 
#18 ·
I had a Hawes single-action 22LR "Ruger Single-Six-styling" that was just great. Had a unique safety hammer-block. It was fun and reliable but I moved it on.
 
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#19 ·
My father had a Hawes in .44 mag. My impression is that it was fairly similar to my Ruger .44 mag. I did not care for the Ruger much because the muzzle flip seemed to be excessive for me. The muzzle flip was a result of the barrel and recoil being well above the recoil absorbing wrist and arm. Plus the "hog leg" handle/hand grip on the Ruger allowed the handle to rotate in the hand.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I have a Western Marshal in 44 Magnum, that I inherited from my dad before his passing in 2011. It was the first gun I ever fired as a scrawny 8 or 9 year old in late 75 early 76.

We were stationed at Mountain Home AFB, Idaho at the time, when my dad put that cannon in my hands. I pulled the trigger and buried the hammer in my forehead. Busted my head open something fierce, lots of blood.

He then handed me a Parker Hale in 270 (Brother owns it now) with a scope, pulled the trigger and got one nasty scope bite and more blood, looked like Petey The Dog off The Little Rascals.

Then I fired a 1975 Remington 1100 in 12 gauge (I own it today), followed by a Winchester Model 94 Antique in 30-30 (Brother owns it now), finally followed by a 1973 Marlin Original Golden-39M in 22 cal (I own it today). Thought the Marlin had misfired as I didn't hear or feel anything.

The holster and cartridge belt has been with the gun since my dad bought the pistol in 1975.

Dating these things like you said is damn near impossible. I just refer to mine as a 197?. Serial number on mine is 21573/4, wasn't aware that that the 4 represented 44 Magnum.

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I had to smile when I read your post. I didn't slice my head with the pistol but we didn't have ear protection on. I only fired it one time that day with my right hand and my left finger was in my ear. My ear started ringing and hurt. I don't believe I ruptured me ear drum, but I remember my mother raising hell with my dad saying buy some ear plugs or muffs. From that day on we wore eye and ear protection.
 
#21 ·
Wow, sorry to learn you got sliced and diced by firearms. When I was a kid my experience was mostly all with a Winchester Model-52 .22 caliber. In my teens I got to fire dad's M-1 carbine but that is the only experience I had before entering the Army where I was issued an M-1 Garand. I had never fired a .30-06 before joining the Army. I took to the M-1 Garand and really enjoyed the .30-06. I thought that in basic training I (we) never had enough range time with the M-1s.
 
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After that outing, I never shot anything but the Marlin 22, while we were in Idaho.

I lugged that Marlin all over the deserts around Mountain Home AFB, for the next 1 1/2 years until we moved to Okinawa.

There were times I would be given a brick of ammo, a pile of targets and my only job was to go through all 500 rounds shooting at targets.

Since I inherited the 44, I've shot it a few times, but I just can't relax with it, I tend to strangle it. Maybe I'm scared it'll get away from me again and leave a mark in my forehead...LOL!

It's a family heirloom that's for sure, and for me it has a somewhat funny story attached to it.

I remember after we got home that night, my mom asked my dad if he had beaten me. He told her no, I thought the boy how to shoot, and to respect firearms. He'll never make those mistakes again. Well dad was right, I have a healthy respect for firearms, know how to shoot, and didn't make those rookie mistakes ever again.

It was a different time, in a world much different than today. Miss the Old Man that's for sure.
 
#23 ·
Ouch! Dad was playing hardball with you. Shoot .44 Special loads out of it and you can enjoy it. As for dating my gun, the serial number is low enough that it must be a first year gun. That should be 1969 for the adjustable sight guns.
 
#24 ·
Not sure where my dad got this one but it is a total clunker :rolleyes: .44 mag. The base pin was held in with a brass screw and nut. Ordered a so called replacement but it was to small and and a sloppy fit. May go back to the brass screw and nut. Have lots of .44 special and .44 Russian but don't think I would try a .44 mag in the beast! Good rat gun or a boat anchor? LOL

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#25 ·
I have one of these in .357 magnum that I inherited from my father. Great shooting gun. One really big caution. He carried it deer hunting one year and brush caught the hammer. Put a round in his leg above his knee and came out below his knee. Doctor said if it had hit a bone it would have blown his leg off. Seems to be a known problem and they suggest only loading five shells if you are going to carry it with the empty chamber below the hammer.
 
#32 ·
I inherited one my father bought new in 1971. First 44 mag I ever fired at 8 years old. Factory ammo is great no issues. If you use hot reloads, and I mean the hottest load this pistol will fire, you may have to tap a little hard to get the fired casings out of the cylinder. Otherwise a flawless pistol and very accurate 80 to 150 feet out on any target. Thousands of rounds on the pistol without issues. Grips a little small but it's supposed to be a single action western revolver. My favorite plinker.