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Cape Buffalo and the 45/70

10K views 43 replies 28 participants last post by  bangaway  
#1 ·
If you read the popular press, Cape buffalo are dreaded beasts, they are big and cunning, they are extremely fast, have horns that pierce and gore, iron hooves that trample and mangle and eyes that blaze red and shoot fire into your heart. You cannot kill them unless you have the tyrannosaurus rex of guns, great heavy bullets and a keen eye over the sights!

Well this year of our lord 2012, around about noontime, I successfully led a client on a buffalo hunt in Mozambique where she took a fine and healthy beast of the savanna with the lowly 45/70 Marlin Guide Gun shooting a hardcast lead bullet that I had forged from plain old wheel weights!

The Bullet, a 475 grain hardcast lead projectile, passed right through both shoulders, as a solid should, exactly as any of the so called buffalo calibers should do - with one exception - it made a somewhat ear pleasing whack as it hit the bull, standing about 100 yards off. Of course the beast took off and kept me busy for at least an hour tracking in the slow cautionary manner through heavy grass and brush - before I found it stone dead and stiff! Of course I was most pleased with myself and kept grinning for the rest of the safari - I felt that I had finally proved the worth of this caliber.

The 45/70 in question was an Alaskan guide model by Wild West Guns mounted with a 1.5-5x20 wide scope which was sighted in at 50 yards. The shot on the buff was slightly low due to 100 yard distance - meaning the bullet dropped about 3 inches from the intended placement - or at least I am saying it was the bullet not the shooter!

Regardless, in my opinion, any of the currently available commercial hardcast lead bullets at reasonable speed would have done the exact same damage and job. I would have liked to get into the 30 yard range but it was towards the end of the safari and we had to take the shot.

I'm posting more bullet test info soon as I did try out a couple of bullets on Elephant this year.


 
#13 ·
Thanks Mark, I don't own a chrono but would put the fps at around 1600 - I didn't have any reliable load data for these cast bullets but they seemed to work well with a dose of RL7 in all Win components.

I don't quite remember the short zero except that we were not meant to hunt anything with the rifle except use it for close work so I guess that's why it was zeroed at 50 and those bullets can be compared to a slug - so their 100 yard trajectory can't be that good!!!
 
#4 ·
Very nice beauty and the beast:biggrin:
 
#5 ·
Great hunt!!! glad see someone take such a monstrous beast with the lowly guide gun. I have a CoPilot guide gun from WWG as well and they are a blast! nice looking hard ast bullet you got there as well...... Congrats!



Doc
 
#6 ·
Well bwanapete bout time ya posted this :biggrin:

I know you trailed slow but how far ya figure he went?
 
#14 ·
The Buff must have gone about a mile, first a straight line blood trail and then he slowed and started looking for his place of retribution as they always do. At each heavy thicket or obstacle his trail would meander around it looking for enough cover to lie in wait for us - it always impresses me, every Buffalo I have trailed does this, some I find still alive others dead, but they always look for the heaviest cover, make a wide turn around it and circle back to the trail a few yards to the left or right to wait for you.
 
#30 ·
bwanapete,

Here is a pic of all the Tombstones, from left to right..... 350gr gas check, 405gr non gas check, 435gr gas check and the 540gr gas check

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PM inbound,



Doc
 
#19 ·
bwanapete

Thanks for posting your hunt & the great pictures. Can you explain a bit more about the bullet? Is it a custom mould? I'd be interested in a similar mould between 405grs & 450grs. I am also using RL7 behind the Rem. 405gr JSP & getting very good accuracy with it.
Thanks
Frank
 
#29 ·
Thanks Frank,
It is a custom mold I had made - I have always lived in the past - those stories of the elephant hunters casting lead and quicksilver bullets around the campfire for their heavy 4 bores stuck with me till this day and I simply had to try and recapture this and the 45/70 made this possible. It became a reality once I moved to the US as we have nothing like you have here back in Zambia where I am from (except the camp fire and the elephants of course).

Mountain molds have a great system for playing with bullet design and this is where I started. The bullet design is nothing new, I have seen many like this on castboolits and on offer by professional designers and casters. The bullet is not aerodynamic at all - but I only have an 18 inch guide gun so I'm not trying to hit anything that far off.

What the bullet did prove is that the penetration on elephant bone was way beyond what I expected and I assume if I use a proper pure alloy that can give me a harder BHN then it would perform even better. I will not hesitate to take on an elephant with this bullet and the guide gun.

PM me if you want the exact dimensions etc. - Mountain molds can make a mold for you if you provide them with the specs (it cost me $130)
Pete
 
#22 ·
What a great story! Just goes to show what this caliber is capable of. I can't believe it traveled a mile after being hit though...what a tuff animal!
 
#24 ·
Congratulations on killing one of Africa's deadly seven. You only have six more species to go for the coveted Grand Slam.... :congrats:

The 45-70 will take down anything depending on your load. Of course if you do get charged by a wounded buffalo, the little plastic tooth pick on your pocket Swiss Army knife does a fine job on putting them down....:proud:
 
#27 ·
That is pretty brave. I love my 45-70s but I would be a little intimidated to take on black death with it. I know it will work, I also know that even a much smaller gun can kill a cape buffalo. The question is can it stop a charging buffalo? I am sure there was at least one back up rifle there just in case.

Hmm... I actually now that I am thinking about it, I think it would be cool to take an american classic like the 45-70 to Africa... I think I found a new item for my bucket list (so long as my guide has a good back up gun :) )
 
#28 ·
Another great post bwanapete! I always enjoy your input. Your story takes me back 25 yrs when I saw a water buffalo in Australia shot with a 375H&H. The bull was shot across a billabong and it was a few hours before we could get to it. The animal was down, but not out. Long story short, 2 more shots in the head did not kill. Animal finally passed after it's neck was cut and the blood flow had stopped. Not trying to be gorey, but just pointing out the effect of adrenalin, and how hard animals can be to kill if the adrenalin is allowed to kick in before death. Thought of a wounded charging Cape Buffalo eyeing me off would prevent me using my 45-70 on one. By the way, I hope you get paid really well!!!!!!! Cheers, Kevo. (new alias.... chicken man!):ahhhhh::marchmellow: