They should sell a slip on decelerator pad with every box! :biggrin:

 

Oh yes..:ahhhhh:

 

Have you got any of them yet Lou?

 

Not yet Scotty, I'm still waiting to hear back from the dealer, looking forward to it though...well be some good for sure!..Lou:tee:

 

Can you guys get Garrett ammo up there?

 

No, not yet anyway?..Garrett is good stuff as well!..Lou

 

Buffalo Bore is great stuff. It is what I used for hunting untill I started reloading. I use to use the 430 (I think) grain loads for about every thing from deer to Alaskan bear.

 

Ford Funn

I think you can trust Buffalo Bore. I have experience with both their .38 Special & 9mm. I've chronographed both, & both gave more actual velocity than BB advertises. I would not hesitate to use it in my rifle.

In fact, that's the brand I carry in my .38 for defense & I trust it.
Frank

 

Being from Canada, I imagine that Buffalo Bore or Garrett will pricey if you can find them, heavy duty bullets to over 555grs. are avail. in Canada and folks can make up their own heavy duty ammo for a fraction of the cost. LBT type bullets from 325grains up to the 550 grain range are what is loaded in that factory ammo, and it is avail. to reloaders for minimal cost compared to factory fodder.

 

They say (the sales pitch) is that they can get super duper velocities without raising the peak pressure by using proprietary mixes of powders.
I guess they must be doing it cause chronies don't lie and I haven't heard of any rifles blowing up.
The price has gone into the stratosphere along with the super fast BB bullets.
I've shot hogs with the 405 grain green box .45-70 ammo.
How much deader will the hog get if you add another 500 fps to the projectile velocity?

 

I reload all my big bore ammo and can aford to shoot safari grade ammo for ground hogs just so I can get practice!

if you can hit ground hogs with iron sights out to 200+ yards ....well when a big black bear comes into the bait at 30-50 yards it just seams easy!

 

The biggest hurdle will be getting the liberal bureaucrats in the Canadian federal Department of Natural Resources to approve Buffalo Bore ammo for IMPORT & SALE in Canada.
I can see that happening if Buffalo Bore agrees to load rubber bullets in the ammo exported to Canada.

 

Good ammo! Very consistent.

 

Was unaware of the questions on the supplier. It is my opinion that a good press and reloading supplies are always the best way to go if you can.

 

Curious. Has anyone tried importing BB directly from a US supplier, or is it too much of a hassle for them to jump through the regulatory hoops?

I'm in the situation where I don't handload, but would like the GG to be loaded up with a heavier bullet when heading out into Grizz country.

 

I notice that the Cabelas.ca (the old SIR store in Winnipeg) website is offering the HSM Bear Load 45-70 ammo that pushes a 430 grain cast lead bullet about 1750 fps for about $37 a box.

I've shot that stuff from a Guide Gun & it really gets your attention.........should do a quick RIP number on a Grizzly Bear.

 

Thanks much pricedo. I'll be sure to pick some up next time I'm through Winnipeg.

 

I put down a big elk with the HSM Bear Load 45-70 ammo fired from my Guide Gun and elk are noted for not giving up the ghost easy.
This one went down like a bag of hammers with just 1 of the big 430 grain flat-nose lead slugs in the boiler room.
The beauty about those big hard cast 45 caliber bullets is you don't waste any foot pounds putting a hole in the tree behind the animal your shooting at like you do with the big suped-up ultra mags and suchlike........the lung cavity on that elk was full of what looked like the red cranberry sauce that's served with Thanksgiving turkey......it was dead before it even hit the ground.
IF(?) Buffalo Bore ammo makes it to Canada you'll be paying through the teeth for it.......at least $75 a box in my guesstimation.
You're getting 95% of the bang for 1/3 -1/2 the bucks with the HSM ammo compared to Buffalo Bore or Garrett.
Even better, for the price of 2 boxes of BB you can get a Lee hand press with the dies thrown in and load yer own............it's real easy........just a little common sense & manual dexterity and the ability to follow directions.
None of the above will make up for poor shooting.........you still gotta put the bullet where it's supposed to go.

 

I have had some trouble with Buffalo Bore in 10mm (not a lever and 45/70). Anyway, the ammo has really been out of spec and would stick in my barrel. I love the ballistics but I'm not sold on it anymore for SD or for hunting that trophy buck.

 

Any body tried the Barnes 300g vor-tx? I picked up a box the otherday,( Toronto ) haven't fired them yet. I gave up waiting for the buffalo/garrett stuff.

 

I hear you pricedo, if only we all had nice plump bank accounts, and price were not an issue....life would be good. Enter....reality!

Called up Cabelas today to inquire about shipping, and ran into a bit of a snag. Since I live on a rural land location, and they won't ship to a PO Box, shipping was going to turn into a nightmare. Since I do most of my travelling by air, I can foresee the airlines having an issue with ammo being classified a "dangerous goods" item.....so bringing some back from Winterpeg may be an issue. Cabelas in Edmonton has some in stock apparently.

Was looking around the internet for any other Canadian 45-70 ammo dealers, and came across "The Bullet Barn" out of BC. Any word on how their loads measure up? As well, I notice they had a 45-70 "trap door" load. I've heard of trap door rifles, but I'm a little puzzled with what "trap door" ammo is. Any insight?

 

I hear you pricedo, if only we all had nice plump bank accounts, and price were not an issue....life would be good. Enter....reality!

Called up Cabelas today to inquire about shipping, and ran into a bit of a snag. Since I live on a rural land location, and they won't ship to a PO Box, shipping was going to turn into a nightmare. Since I do most of my travelling by air, I can foresee the airlines having an issue with ammo being classified a "dangerous goods" item.....so bringing some back from Winterpeg may be an issue. Cabelas in Edmonton has some in stock apparently.

Was looking around the internet for any other Canadian 45-70 ammo dealers, and came across "The Bullet Barn" out of BC. Any word on how their loads measure up? As well, I notice they had a 45-70 "trap door" load. I've heard of trap door rifles, but I'm a little puzzled with what "trap door" ammo is. Any insight?

The 45-70 Government cartridge is an old caliber going back to the wild west days when the cartridge was fired from such notables as the Model 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield and the Gatling gun and used black powder as the propellant. Most modern 45-70 loads use contemporary smokeless powders as the propellant.
Metallurgy and technology being what they were at the time the Springfield actions were significantly weaker than present day actions like the Marlin 1895 and limited to about 28K psi.
The Marlin 1895 is capable of handling ammo in the 40K psi range & the Ruger #1 & #3 single shot rifles even higher than that.
There are a lot of the old legacy 45-70 caliber rifles still around and in use so SAAMI had to set 45-70 maximum chamber pressure specs to reflect that fact to 28K psi.
By today's standards Trapdoor ammo with its threshold chamber pressure of 28K psi is WEAK ammo & is not the stuff you're looking for.
The Green Box Remington 405 grain 45-70 ammo is Trapdoor ammo.
What you're looking for (Buffalo Bore, Garrett) is on the opposite end of the power spectrum and should only be fired in modern guns like the Marlin 1895, the Winchester 1886, Siamese Mausers or the Ruger #1/#3 single shot rifles.

 

Excellent explanation pricedo. Thanks for the insight. Much appreciated.

 

I agree with Pricedo. I will say though, the Remington 405 gr ammo is VERY accurate in everything I've shot it in from a 95 Marlin to a Ruger #1.
If I lived in Canada, I think I'd check into reloading. If it's legal & components available (we can always cast bullets) I think I'd really explore that avenue. It could solve a lot of ammo problems. Just a thought.
Frank

 

I agree with Pricedo. I will say though, the Remington 405 gr ammo is VERY accurate in everything I've shot it in from a 95 Marlin to a Ruger #1.
If I lived in Canada, I think I'd check into reloading. If it's legal & components available (we can always cast bullets) I think I'd really explore that avenue. It could solve a lot of ammo problems. Just a thought.
Frank

I hate to pee on anybody's parade but Frank V is giving good advice.
Waiting for Buffalo Bore & Garrett ammo to come to Canada is like entering a lame mule in the Kentucky Derby and sitting at the finish line with your fingers crossed.
For the price of 3 boxes of Buffalo Bore ammo you can get a Lee Hand Press kit which comes with 45-70 dies, a can of powder, a box of primers, a few accessories like case lubricant, a chamfer tool and the inexpensive Lee case trimmer, a bag of pretty decent bullets like the 350 grain Hornady FNSPs and never have to worry about your ammo supply running dry again.
Learning to cast bullets will make shooting even cheaper and the equipment is very inexpensive and can be mastered with a little common sense and average manual dexterity.
Back in the day I started with the old Lee Loader which was a percussion hand tool and sold for less than $15 and I loaded some pretty fine ammo if I say so myself.
I think they might even still make them.

 

Buffalo Bore is fine ammunition and I use some of their loads. If you are loading your own and looking for top of the line hard cast lead bullets, check out Bear Tooth Bullets, you will not be disappointed.

 

Ive been loading Garret/Buffalo Bore equivilant 45-70 loads for years I reload so don't need them up here...

 

And no need to pay $75 for a box of ammo you can hand load for $10.

 

I would make another suggestion. If you are thinking about casting bullets, check out the cast boolits forum there are a lot of folks there who are very willing to help out someone getting started.
Frank

 

For Canadians who insist on factory loaded ammo I notice that Cabelas.ca out of Winnipeg, Manitoba is selling the HSM Bear Load ammo for around $36 for a box of 20 cartridges on line.
A 430 grain flat nosed hard cast lead slug travelling at 1750 thereabouts fps and packing a ton and a half of muzzle energy is going to knock over anything in North America at practical hunting ranges.
Hunters I know who have used this ammo have nothing but good things to say about its performance.
I noticed this stuff for sale on the Cabelas.ca website a year ago.
Looks like Buffalo Bore has already arrived in Canada ........and at 1/2 price too !

 

I think Pricedo has a good idea. I've never shot any HSM rifle ammo, but have shot their handgun ammo & it's tops. It's made here in Montana & I really like their handgun ammo. I see a lot of HSM empty boxes in the trash bins at our range so I know it's being used quite a bit here.
I think you'd like it.
Frank

 

Or you could cast and load your own MUCH cheaper.
Of Particular note is the NEI 458-440 .
FLAT nose near wadcutter gas checked design that casts 448 grains in my alloy.
Cast it soft , heat treat is hard.
Shoots like linotype, but acts like soft lead when it strikes.
Knocks the living POOKY out of anything it strikes.
Roll your own for less than $10 a box, mild to wild.

 

Update:

A place called PROPHET RIVER FIREARMS in Lloydminster, Alberta, Canada sells Buffalo Bore ammo for the 45-70.

 

i will check them out too thanks bud.

Jer

 

I reiterate with emphasis that I have no interest in buying BB ammo for $79 a box and am following this up out of pure curiosity..........I can hand load better ammo myself.
****If I was non-reloading Canadian looking for quality factory +P 45-70 ammo to buy I'd look no further than the Cabelas.ca website which is offering the excellent HSM 530 grain hard cast lead HSM "Bear Load" ammo for $39 per box of 20.......$40 a box cheaper !!!......and you can order it online if you live in Canada & have a Cannuck firearms license.
I have used the 530 grain HSM stuff and I have used the BB ammo and you could pizz the difference in ballistics........certainly not enough to warrant $40 extra per box.
You get the excellent Starline cases as a result of shooting HSM ammo.
I have shot a lot of the HSM handgun ammo and it is excellent in quality & accuracy & relatively cheap.
I can hand load quality 45-70 ammo for 1/4 the price of the HSM stuff.