j/k, I didn't shoot the puppy (with the gun). She's just exhausted after supper.

 

Looks like she exhausts herself pretty often at mealtime. ;D

Good info on the shotshells. I'm gonna cut and keep.

 

Thats really cool.
I wanna try it.

 

also, is that puppy in the picture a "great pyreneas"?

 

also, is that puppy in the picture a "great pyreneas"?

Yep. 8 1/2 weeks old. Just picket her up on saturday. The wife made me drive 400 miles to pick up that darn dog. Totally worth it. Dad's 165 Lbs and Momma was about 120... With any luck she'll just love treeing bear for me

 

I grew up with two GP, had one for 11years, they are great family dogs. You won't have any critters in your yard for about 12 years. ;D Great dogs, miss them very much. That loud low woof acutally becomes relaxing.

 

This is pretty cool, and would be especially useful up here in Alaska for putting a grouse or Ptarmigan in the fire. Could you please take a couple pics of the wads, "shot cup" and so forth before assembly to give us an idea of what it should look like? What sort of paper did you use for that shot cup? Why not just pour the shot right on top of the felt wad, then wax that over? Why the paper? Is there something I am missing here? Thanks again for the neat post!

Mark

 

That is a cool idea. 8) with the tube. I have made snake loads for years for different pistols but they are not much good ovet 8 to 10 yards. Great for snakes but not so well on small game.

 

This is pretty cool, and would be especially useful up here in Alaska for putting a grouse or Ptarmigan in the fire. Could you please take a couple pics of the wads, "shot cup" and so forth before assembly to give us an idea of what it should look like? What sort of paper did you use for that shot cup? Why not just pour the shot right on top of the felt wad, then wax that over? Why the paper? Is there something I am missing here? Thanks again for the neat post!

Mark

I'll post pict tonight. I ordered some 45-100 brass to try this with also so I can see if they will feed from the magazine. The paper keeps the rifling from spinning the shot. If you omit the paper than you end up with a hole in the middle of the pattern. I used writing paper that didn't seem to have too much clay in it. Probably better stuff. I imagine toilet paper would work well but would be hard to work with.

 

I understand that. It would seem though that the paper really couldn't help too much with all the violence going on in the cartridge. I realize paper patching has been around longer than metallic cartridges have so there's something to it all. I look forward to the pics..

 

This is pretty cool, and would be especially useful up here in Alaska for putting a grouse or Ptarmigan in the fire. Could you please take a couple pics of the wads, "shot cup" and so forth before assembly to give us an idea of what it should look like? What sort of paper did you use for that shot cup? Why not just pour the shot right on top of the felt wad, then wax that over? Why the paper? Is there something I am missing here? Thanks again for the neat post!

Mark

I'll post pict tonight. I ordered some 45-100 brass to try this with also so I can see if they will feed from the magazine. The paper keeps the rifling from spinning the shot. If you omit the paper than you end up with a hole in the middle of the pattern. I used writing paper that didn't seem to have too much clay in it. Probably better stuff. I imagine toilet paper would work well but would be hard to work with.

When I made shot shells for the 45-70 they made a perfect donut pattern. ;D I believe the shot will still spin when inside the paper tube, but when it exits the barrel it will be more together and remain that way for a longer distance than if shot loose. The other problem that I had with my shot shells was leading in the barrel. I discovered while shooting paper patched bullets that you do not have any fouling from lead. ;D I see this idea as a cure to this, and I have some 20 pound 100% cotton paper that should work well for this.

 

great idea thanks,
Brian

 

realy a great idea, 8" at 25 yards makes a darn good grouse round, throw a couple of em in the pocket during deer or elk season just in case, I like it.

 

Very cool idea. Looking forward to pictures.

 

thebigslide,
Great idea, nothing like grouse or occasional rabbit over the fire. Can't wait for more info and the photos. I enjoy the shotshells with my 45 colt but these would be much more effective. Thanks for the info. Have you tried it with any other powders?

 

It would seem to be a likely candidate for Unique but I wouldn't have any idea how much. I've used 12gr. of it w/300gr cast in the past.

 

I'm really looking forward to pictures! ... Hint, Hint.

 

You may find the following link helpfull:

http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,35057.0.html

Cheers

Mark

 

what effect would the micro grove rifling have? Perhaps less bite on the paper than ballard, keep things from spinning up?

 

I'm sure that it would still spin and effect the pattern. I like the idea of the paper cup around the shot as it would probably hold the shot together for a longer distance where as with a 410 shot wad it would open at the muzzel. Plus the plastic wad takes more space inside the case that could utilize more area for shot. I plan to make a dowel to wrap some wet paper around and let dry and then remove to fill with shot before loading in to a case.

 

Just get the .457 mag convertion then you can shoot 45-70 , .457 and .410 shotshells . only downside is it's $300 or so.

 

Just get the .457 mag convertion then you can shoot 45-70 , .457 and .410 shotshells . only downside is it's $300 or so.

At that cost I will make my own shells or use a pistol.