Not trying to pick a fight but curious why you think it won’t do what the 35 does

 

I echo the question. Based on published data, the 360 BH will push that 200 grain bullet 200 FPS faster than the 35 Rem will. Seems like a good cartridge.

 

Silly name.......will the new Steel shot shells be called DuckHammer??

With the same rim diameter as the 30-30, the 360 will facilitate production as bolt faces will all be .506, no longer a need for .460 bolt face.

The 375/38-55 exist, 250 grs at modest velocities.

The 405 W is near unobtanium status. Similarly shaped ctg.

I'm thinking whether I own either, I'd load up on brass for the future.

We can look back in time........358, 356, 35 Whelen, 350 RM, really never made it to the big time. Brass is hard to come by for a few/most of these. Yes there are plenty rifles out there but these were never represented on store shelves like their smaller caliber contemporaries.

35s have a following. It'll be while before we know if the 360 takes off.

 

Silly name.......will the new Steel shot shells be called DuckHammer??

Remington's already had a "BuckHammer" ...

 

Making that thing is just dumb IMO. Just stick with a 35rem. Now for a double rifle or something like that I could understand it.

 

From the specs I've read it's so close to the 35Rem. it was a waste of time bothering .if i need a straight walled case I got my 1895G ~~Chaser11~~

 

Got a look at a round 'tuther day.
'Tis a silly thing...
I get the "straight case" issue. But that aside, it'll never match what the .35 Remington can do. And what it does do, it does at 20,000 psi more pressure.
To me, it's only saving grace is it means Remington is still making the 200 grain round nose Core Lokt...
Omo

Yep........A solution in search of a problem.......I keep on keeping on with 30-3's/35's/444's & 45-70............Legends/buckhammers etc. Why bother? They are outclassed by cartridges already in existence.

 

So those hunters that can't use the 35 Remington because it is a bottle necked cartridge don't count.

 

Come on guys, how are they going to sell new guns if they dont peak somebodies' interest? No one's taking your 35 R away. History will decide what s what.

 

Come on guys, how are they going to sell new guns if they dont peak somebodies' interest?

They could reintroduce a modern version of the .43 Spanish. 😁

 

What about the super carry 30 or whatever it's called handgun? If that isn't a solution to a non problem.

 

Americans have never been impressed with .30 cal. defense pistols.

 

If I wasn't already invested in the 35 Rem and 375 Win, I would be welcoming the 360 BH with open arms. At least companies will be making some FP and RN 358 cal bullets.

PS I am a 35 cal fan: 35 Rem (x2), 356 Win, 358 Win, 35 Whelen, 358 Norma (x2)

 

The .360 BuckHammer is for a niche market, hunters in States mandating straight-wall cartridge cases 1.8" long. It was created to help hunters satisfy a Legal requirement. It was necessary to a degree, keeping .35 cal cranks in Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana supplied with legal hunting rifles.

Nobody's gonna kick your door in and take your .35 Remington. Nobody's gonna laugh at you for being a Fudd. And nobody cares what you think, they're going to buy what they want and need. Sales drive industry success, so new cartridge introductions help generate income.

Hateful and uninformed threads are amusing. But they get old quick. As was said above, the market will sort itself out. It always has.

 

The .360 BuckHammer is for a niche market, hunters in States mandating straight-wall cartridge cases 1.8" long. It was created to help hunters satisfy a Legal requirement. It was necessary to a degree, keeping .35 cal cranks in Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana supplied with legal hunting rifles.

Nobody's gonna kick your door in and take your .35 Remington. Nobody's gonna laugh at you for being a Fudd. And nobody cares what you think, they're going to buy what they want and need. Sales drive industry success, so new cartridge introductions help generate income.

Hateful and uninformed threads are amusing to a degree. But they get old quick. As was said above, the market will sort itself out. It always has.

Right on!

 

If I lived in a state that required a straight wall case cartridge at a case length of 1.8" with a minimum bullet diameter of .358", I'll buy a hunting rifle that's chambered of those rounds. I read the 444 is also seeing new interest because some states with straight wall cartridges not limited to case length for hunting purposes are allowed, but I don't remember caliber diameter specification.
TO NY🗽.
PS. at least NYS allows whatever center fire rifle 22 cal. Up The last time I looked. So, I'm good with 35 Rem. 356 Win. 358 Win.

 

I may be wrong but, in ten years people will say hey remember that 360 cal.

 

I may be wrong but, in ten years people will hey remember that 360 cal.

What if there was a .444 Short, a 1.8" long case?

 

I bet back in 1906 people were asking on forums why we need a 35 Remington when we have the 38-55 and 45-70.

 

Forums? Don't believe that was a thing way back then.

RP

 

I think the bigger picture is the 360 Buckhammer is competing with the 350 legend. Both are straight walled cartridge guns. Both have the ability in taking big game. When both loads are zeroed at 100 yards the Legend drops 8.9 inches at 200 yards and carries 882 ft.-lbs. of energy while the Buckhammer drops 8.1 inches and strikes with 926 ft.-lbs. 170 grain bullets are used.

The Buckhammer has roughly 400 fps advantage at the muzzle and about 400 ft. lbs more of energy at closer ranges under 100 yards then the 350 Legend. To me, the legend offers more choices on platforms as well allowing it to be chambered in a AR, and there are about 5 or so manufacturers making the guns to shoot this caliber.

I have killed deer with both the 350 Legend and 357 Max and really have no interest in the 360. I don't think either one of these cartridges will affect the use of the 35 Rem. These straight walled cartridges in rifles are used recently in states like mine where we can only use rifles with straight walled cartridges to hunt Deer.

This is more about two companies trying to take advantage of an opportunity. Remington makes the ammo, and Henry sells the rifles to shoot them. I am happy with the 350 Legend performance and have no need for another caliber doing the same work that doesn't provide any major advantage over the other. I built a 350 legend in the AR Platform this past winter and we will see how it performs in the field this year. I expect similar results from the AR like I received from my Winchester....... Aim, squeeze trigger, Boom and drop.

 

Well some states with straight wall cartridges requirements in certain areas don't allow semiauto for deer. PA is one of them.

 

The .360 does about what Hornady Leverevolution does velocity wise, but at significantly higher pressures. It's pretty well maxed, out as most factory loads are.
I can get 2285 fps with 200 grain bullets from my 35 and still be within SAAMI pressures.
The 360 will be to the .35 Remington what the 7.62x39 is to the .30-30. Close, but no cigar.
But if you must use a straight case...

 

I think a rifle manufacturer may have been behind the 360 also. A heck of a lot easier to have one boltface from a design and build perspective.

I've not looked at the 360, rifles or ammo. I don't know of any owned by friends but if 35 Rem ammo is hard to find and the 360 ammo is out there, what 35 cal chambered rifle would you acquire, as a buyer who doesn't reload?

 

We’ve had a few threads on this topic since the 360 was revealed at shot show. I guess I’ll add what I did before, and what others have. This is good for .35 REM reloaders because it is another thing that will keep .358 bullets going as a reloading component.

It isn’t a .35 REM replacement. It’s targeted to a specific demographic. Yes, there are straight wall calibers in existence for states with those restrictions. But, like the majority of MO members probably do, I prefer hunting with a lever action. This gives people like us another opportunity to hunt those states with a lever.

As a reloader, the biggest issue with .35 REM is its case. It is unique and is not “easily” formed from any other case. The 360, with its 30-30 parent cartridge, gives a reloader much more ability to form brass when components are scarce.

For non reloaders, 360 ammo has hit the shelves and is comparatively priced to 30-30, close to half the cost of .35 REM.

Does it replace my .35 REMs? Absolutely not, but there is definitely a place in the lever action and hunting market for it.

 

I'm not a 360BH advocate but I find it encouraging that they came up with a substitute for the 35Rem to overcome the restrictions placed upon us by govt reps. 35cal rifles are excellent hunting choices, whatever the "case" may be.

 

If you look at 35 Remington's post, you will see that you can load the 35 Remington to higher velocities than those listed for the 360 Buckhammer. I know, because i have done it and verified it through the conograph. You just have to choose the correct powder.

 

If you live in a straight wall restricted state you get it. If not well you're not gonna get it.
Top it off owning a 35 rem I'll say have you seen how little brass is floating around, vs the 360 being based off 30/30 which I can find on the ground where I shoot pretty easily.

 

I wonder about the cases. Dimensionally, it seems based on the .30-30. Externally.
But the .30-30 case isn't known for it's ability to withstand high pressures. And 55k psi IS high for a case designed for 42k.
I wonder if they used the .375 Winchester?
Perhaps case forming isn't going to be as simple as it would seem?
Anyway. I'm not poo-pooing the notion of the .360. The market will punish or reward as it always has. And always will.
Btw. Part of the issue with .35 Remington production might be that unless you step on brass, or lose it, it lasts forever. If you buy factory to get the brass and then reload...
Omo.

 

I wonder about the cases. Dimensionally, it seems based on the .30-30. Externally.
But the .30-30 case isn't known for it's ability to withstand high pressures. And 55k psi IS high for a case designed for 42k.
I wonder if they used the .375 Winchester?
Perhaps case forming isn't going to be as simple as it would seem?
Anyway. I'm not poo-pooing the notion of the .360. The market will punish or reward as it always has. And always will.
Btw. Part of the issue with .35 Remington production might be that unless you step on brass, or lose it, it lasts forever. If you buy factory to get the brass and then reload...
Omo.

Right on, totally agree from both a technical standpoint and marketing standpoint. Refreshing to see someone look at it that way.

 

I'll throw a curve ball in this discussion- right around the 360 Buckhammer was being produced for those in straight walled states, Winchester introduced earlier this spring the new 400 Legend. They all are trying to get into this growth market to get what $$$$ they can.

The states mentioned above are part if the mix- You can add Iowa, Michigan and Illinois to those as well.

They promote it like this-

100% More Energy than a 12-Gauge slug at 100 yards

55% Less Recoil than a 12-Gauge slug

Energy Equivalent to 450 Bushmaster with 20% Less Recoil

Over 20% More Energy than a 30-30 WIN and 25% More Energy than 350 Legend, with Greater Penetration

STRAIGHT-WALLED CARTRIDGE SPECS
Bullet Diameter: 0.4005 inch | Shell case Length: 1.650 inches

 

I'll throw a curve ball in this discussion- right around the 360 Buckhammer was being produced for those in straight walled states, Winchester introduced earlier this spring the new 400 Legend. They all are trying to get into this growth market to get what $$$$ they can.

The states mentioned above are part if the mix- You can add Iowa, Michigan and Illinois to those as well.

They promote it like this-

100% More Energy than a 12-Gauge slug at 100 yards

55% Less Recoil than a 12-Gauge slug

Energy Equivalent to 450 Bushmaster with 20% Less Recoil

Over 20% More Energy than a 30-30 WIN and 25% More Energy than 350 Legend, with Greater Penetration

STRAIGHT-WALLED CARTRIDGE SPECS
Bullet Diameter: 0.4005 inch | Shell case Length: 1.650 inches

I personally don't give much of a heck for "energy" figures. They are WAAAAY too heavily biased towards velocity with little regard to actual performance which is largely related to momentum (weight * velocity). If energy is all that mattered, we'd all be using hypervelocity stuff like a .22-250.

That 12 ga. Slug they mention at the start is a perfect example of what I'm getting at. There's NO WAY the 360 Buckhammer is going to have any better actual performance than that (admittedly slower moving) 12 ga. slug. Less recoil? Absolutely. Better effective range due to less drop? Absolutely. But so is a .30-30. Inside 100 yds, that 12 ga. slug is going to rule actual performance.
And the comparison to a .30-30? Ridiculous. I'm betting that it's overall actual field performance is not effectively any better than the venerable .30-30. Not enough to matter in any case.

It's SOLE claim to fame is performing within some idiotic parameters foisted off on the general public in the name of some PERCEIVED "safety". To be fair... it does THAT very well.

Luis

 

i agree there is a nich market here. hunting in ohio i welcome a new cartridge that allows me to use a lever gun . if i did not have a 1894 .44 mag i would be saving up for a 360 bh . jsb

 

30-30 WIN Remington 170 grain Core-Lokt on the left.
360 BHMR Remington 200 grain Core-Lokt in the middle.
35 REM Remington 200 grain Core-Lokt on the right.

 

Wait just a damn minute, here…
Did they just take the 35-30 mainstream and re-market it?
I bet JES is having a fit over this. [emoji1783]

 

Do you boys remember the old .445 SuperMag? It is chambered in Dan Wesson revolvers.

On the right is the .44 Magnum. .445 SuperMag on the left.

 

Ohio deer hunter here , I don’t believe ohio has a 1.8 restriction , as I been hunting with 45/70 about 5-6 years with it love the knock down power !! I see no reason to break out the .444 yet.

 

No but it is a straight wall case state.

 

hi folks . i have taken a lot of deer with shot gun , side hammer muzzle loader , inline muzzle loader , and now getting to use a rifle with straight wall cartridge is really great . in my case using a 1894 lever gun is a treat for me and my grandsons using the 350 and 450 is great. i fully agree with the straight wall law in our area and think some of you folks would be shocked atall the houses around this part of ohio. i am gust glad we do not have length restiction . jsb