[SargeMO]

I am ambivalent on this whole Buckhammer vs 35 Remington thing. If I was starting fresh, I'd give the Buckhammer a whirl. Ammo & brass for it will be much easier to find than 35 Remington, at least for awhile. And unlike the 35 Remington, there's an endless supply of brass available from the 30-30 case. No funky little shoulder to sort out, either.

As it stands, I have an old Ballard rifled 35 Remington and enough components to keep it going for years. I am loading it to 30-30 pressure and matching the Buckhammer's stated ballistics, with zero strain on the 336 and at 10.000 less PSI- and it's shooting really well. No way I'm kicking that to the curb, for an unknown.

I do hope some of you try the Buckhammer because I'd like to read some credible end-user reports, as opposed to infomercials from manufacturers and their paid advertisers.

 

[MS9x56]

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

At the ranges I hunt and shoot at there is no advantage to going faster. What has worked fine for 118 years still works just as well today. This continually reinventing the wheel is just another way to increase interest and profits. No thank you. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

 

[galaxieman]

Love all things 35. I will get a rifle in 360 buckhammer. But mostly excited for additional bullet availability if the 360 takes off. I already have a lifetime supply of 35 Remington ammo and brass.


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[Pereira]

It would kill the 35 as I don't think any other rifles are chambered for it except maybe a couple of single shots.

Henry still has one listed in their catalog.

RP

 

[rob42049]

I'm not running out to buy a .360 Buckhammer, but look at the advantages for people that do. Any brass from a .219 Zipper, .25-35, 7-30 Waters, .30WCF, .32 Win Spl, .32-40, .38-55, or .375 Win that a guy can buy or scrounge will make the Buckhammer case. With a 1 in 12" twist, a handloader can run with a 225 or 250 grain bullet, so it's more flexible than the .35 Rem, which has a 1 in 16" twist.
I could be wrong here, but I am predicting the .360 Buckhammer will sell and stay in the consumer market for a long time. Hit your shooting buds up for all their oddball brass with a .420" head and a .506" rim. With a set of dies and a bullet mould, a guy could be in the game forever. Venison and rice or venison and biscuits might see some people through.

 

[Achilles]

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

By now we have all probably seen the published ballistics for the new 360 Buckhammer. In all of the comparisons I have seen, they show it being faster and have more energy than the 35 Remington with both 180 gr and 200 gr bullets. I know I have exceeded the velocity of the Buckhammer with my 35 Remington handloads in both 180 gr and 200 gr. I just wonder if anyone else has had similar results.

Shooting my 336A with 24" barrel, the differences are even greater. I'd like to see what handloaders can do with the new cartridge. I'm a fan of the 35 calibers, so I think those folks that need to use straight walled cases should find this to be a great deer cartridge. Now Marlin just needs to chamber it in the 336. I'm just not a fan of the Henry rifles.

The BuckHammer is loaded to 50,000 PSI, pretty much the limit of the new 336 Actions. No one is going to soup it up without risking injury. The .35 Rem has a larger case capacity and if uploaded to even 45,000 PSI it will far out perform the BuckHammer. Don’t go sell your .35 Rem to buy a new BuckHammer which is just a .35 Rem for AR platforms.
Really nothing to see here.

 

[SargeMO]

The Buckhammer is based on the rimmed 30-30 case, making it a poor choice for the AR. The 350 Legend covers that application.

Using good brass, H4895 and Sierra's 200 grain Pro Hunter, I'm pretty comfortable loading the 35 Rem to about 40,000 PSI- low end 30-30 pressures. I'm getting an honest 2155-2180 fps (depending on headstamp) from an old 20" Ballard rifled 336. That's all the wallop I need from this rifle and cartridge. Even at this level, your brass attrition increases. You'll see a few more cracked necks.

I personally would not load the 35 Remington to 45,000 PSI, particularly with old brass which might have been fired 1-5 times in several different chambers. Others are free to do as they wish.

 

[NickMc]

The BuckHammer is loaded to 50,000 PSI, pretty much the limit of the new 336 Actions. No one is going to soup it up without risking injury. The .35 Rem has a larger case capacity and if uploaded to even 45,000 PSI it will far out perform the BuckHammer. Don’t go sell your .35 Rem to buy a new BuckHammer which is just a .35 Rem for AR platforms.
Really nothing to see here.

I believe you are mistaking the Buckhammer for a different cartridge.

 

[StumpHunter]

Folks also need to take this variable into the equation. I am presumptuous here that most posters here are Boomers. The generation is starting to succumb to dementia and time.

Are the kids going to take on the .35 rem? Will they hunt? The next generation is the real question, and when millennials and gen Z are shopping now, they can't find or afford the older guns most likely. They'll buy this. Marketing. And eventually the flood of boomer hoardings will hit the market and prices will stagnant or drop on older guns. Who will buy all these older ones?

I don't believe boomers have done a sufficient job in culturing the next generations.

 

[MS9x56]

Too much video games and not enough get off your butt and let’s go hunting.

 

[rob42049]

Folks also need to take this variable into the equation. I am presumptuous here that most posters here are Boomers. The generation is starting to succumb to dementia and time.

Are the kids going to take on the .35 rem? Will they hunt? The next generation is the real question, and when millennials and gen Z are shopping now, they can't find or afford the older guns most likely. They'll buy this. Marketing. And eventually the flood of boomer hoardings will hit the market and prices will stagnant or drop on older guns. Who will buy all these older ones?

I don't believe boomers have done a sufficient job in culturing the next generations.

Dementia and time? Really?

I play Scrabble for money. Ten cents a point and $10 a game. I was born in 1949. You're welcome to come test my dementia any old time. Bring your wallet, it's cash only.

Apparently we did fail to teach respect for Elders.

 

[StumpHunter]

I didn't address my comment to you. @rob42049 This is an observation of the realities of demographics. I'm glad you are in good health. Boomers are numerous relative to other generations. Time in the post was meant to be a more respectful way, towards elders, in saying death. But since that gentler euphemism was missed, let's be more blunt - American life expectancy is ~77 or ~78 years. Boomers, as a whole, are now entering that statistic.

Buckhammer is a new cartridge, and these large companies certainly take into account their market, the demographics, and how they will invest into their future products. This is certainly a variable.

This demographic swing, with time, will have an impact on gun ownership, ammo manufacturing, and circulation of existing/historic/current hunting rifles.

My point holds merit, and doesn't convey disrespect to elders, but merely draws attention to a fact.

 

[northmn]

Since it's based on a 30 30 case it may replace the 35R. Companies tend to look at manufacturing shortcuts and the use of a 30 30 bolt face is one.
DEP

 

[Uncle Powder 4064]

Well, I’m going to show my ignorance here I guess, but is this another one of those new AR platform calibers?

This new round is not compatible with the AR platform. The case is a shortened .30-30 Win which has the rimmed base. No worky in the AR and a tad difficult for the bolt rifles, too. Although some rimmed cartridges do work in bolt actions. At this point it is only going to be chambered in lever actions. I think Winchester missed an opportunity with the .350 Legend and the rebated rim. It's great for bolt actions and AR's but won't work in a traditional lever gun unless Henry and Browning chambered it in their Long Ranger and BLR with the detachable magazine.

 

[Lost Okie]

I will stick with my 357mag Marlin and 357 Max single shot. If I need to step it up from there I will use the Whelen.

 

[rob42049]

For those youngsters worried about dementia sweeping the ranks of people born immediately following the War, here's the numbers from the US Department of Health. Intersect the dementia percentage with the firearm owners' percentage, and the number becomes extremely small. Don't be taking Grampa's guns just yet, he's still as sharp as any other gun owner, with the benefit of 50 or 60 years of experience. I took that particular comment as an insult.
Sure @StumpHunter, talk about death and impending death, we all have it coming, no need to sugar coat it. I've outlived dozens of my friends. It's bittersweet. But leave dementia and mental decline in general out of your assessment of Baby Boomers. We're a relatively healthy demographic due to advances in nutrition and medical science. Dementia is an insignificant figure as it relates to firearms ownership in my age group. Market trends will be affected by any group dying off.

 

[Uncle Powder 4064]

The BuckHammer is loaded to 50,000 PSI, pretty much the limit of the new 336 Actions. No one is going to soup it up without risking injury. The .35 Rem has a larger case capacity and if uploaded to even 45,000 PSI it will far out perform the BuckHammer. Don’t go sell your .35 Rem to buy a new BuckHammer which is just a .35 Rem for AR platforms.
Really nothing to see here.

The Buckhammer will not work in AR platforms because of the rimmed casing which is a shortened .30-30 case. Let's not compare the 360 Buckhammer to either the .30-30 Win or the .35 Remington. This round was created specifically for hunters in states that require straight wall casings and brass no longer than 1.8". Regardless of how it compares or doesn't compare to the .30-30 or the .35 Remington ballistically is meaningless because the .30-30 and .35 Rem would be illegal in the states that enforce restrictions on weapons used for deer hunting.

 

[sd336nut]

What were we talking about again?

 

[muddly]

Other than some regulations, the only advantage I see in the BH is making cases out of 30-30s.
The .360 BH will do what the .35 Remington will do, with higher pressures, shorter case and barrel life and more strain on rifle actions.
Case and barrel life are VERY important to me.
Maybe if they ever stop making .35 Remington ammo, I'd consider it.
NOT before.

 

[TMWGUN]

I do live in a straight wall case state, I love my 30-30s and 35 Remingtons but have to go out of state to use them. I have several straight wall Marlins and hunt w them here. I like the JM Marlins but if I was in the market for a new production lever action I would not buy a 35 Rem if I could get a 360 BH. The performance is the same, same bullet w same velocity, why buy not buy one that gives more flexibility for reloading brass, and can be used in all states. We can get sentimental about our old JM 35s but that isn’t what sells new guns. I find it hard to believe 35 Rem rifles will be in production much longer. The ammo should be as there are so many old guns out there. Just my 2 cents