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I'm considering a Marlin in 356 Winchester, and I see some conflicting information online. I use Lee dies for 11 rifle calibers, to include Lee factory crimp dies.

What dies are you using to reload 356 Winchester?

Some people say they use the Lee 358 Win dies with a different shell holder. But RCSB makes a 2-die set for 356 Win.

I also use the Lee case length gauge for all of my case trimming.

What reloading equipment are you using?

What powders and bullets are you using?
 

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The 358/356 dies are the same. Use a 30 30 shell holder. I also use the Lee fcd. For our NYS whitetail I like the Speer 180 gr. bullet.
 

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Thanks Shawlerbrook!
 
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Thanks for the info! I dug out my Speer reloading manual and sure enough, the outside dimensions of the 358 and 356 are the same, except the rim.
 

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For deer the 180 Speer is outstanding, H335 is the powder of choice, magnum primers, other powders at this burn rate or a bit slower have also worked well. Do Redding dies, and a Lee crimp die, full length re-size.
 

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I also have a Redding set, marked 356/358 and have an LFCD that works on these and my 35X30-30. Years ago, like the late 80's, there was some 356 brass that was noticeably smaller on the inside than was corresponding 358 brass. Not so no more. There is some variance from manufacturer to manufacturer as in all brass. My Winchester BB94 likes the 308 W brass necked up to 358 so that argument is gone. The other one I hear a lot is 358 W bullets are seated out further. That is also not necessarily true. A lot of the manuals list the same COAL for both 356 and 358, as well as the same data for the same bullet. Others do seat the bullet out to various lengths. One size doesn't fit all, until you are the one doing it. Oh, and I never full length size. I have nothing getting enough pressure to make it "grow" and just size the neck down to the base of the bullet or to the neck joint, without touching it, whichever comes first.

The most I can get out "the 358 runs faster than a 356" comes from the 20" carbine barrel on the 356W VS the 24" rifle barrel on a 358W. Take the 358W in a Model 88 Winchester Carbine and the two rounds are twin sisters. Both to be enjoyed!
 

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Thanks for the additional info, much appreciated!
 

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I use the Lee dies for the 358, and a factory crimp die as well.
For bullets, I use the Speer 180 and 220 grain HotCor flatpoints, and recently acquired some of the 250 grains from Hawk bullets.
The 250 Hawks give excellent penetration, as well as expanding quite well. I have a few that doubled in diameter as they expanded, and still retained over 85 percent of their original weight.
Here is one that opened to 71 caliber, and still weighed 209 grains.
Recovered from a 450 lb Hog, shot at 70 yds.

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I use the Lee dies for the 358, and a factory crimp die as well.
For bullets, I use the Speer 180 and 220 grain HotCor flatpoints, and recently acquired some of the 250 grains from Hawk bullets.
The 250 Hawks give excellent penetration, as well as expanding quite well. I have a few that doubled in diameter as they expanded, and still retained over 85 percent of their original weight.
Here is one that opened to 71 caliber, and still weighed 209 grains.
Recovered from a 450 lb Hog, shot at 70 yds.

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That's impressive expansion for that 250gr Hawk! Did the hog run, or was he DRT?
 
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He flopped on the spot, and other than a few twitches, never moved again.
Bullet passed through both shoulders and was just under the skin on the far side.
The load I used has a muzzle velocity of about 2050 fps chronographed.
 

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I reload for the 358 Win but my Lyman dies are marked for 356 Win/358 Win like others have stated. I use the 200 gr Hornady Interlock SP bullet in both my 358 Wins and also for 35 Rem +P loads (used in a single shot Traditions G2 rifle and a Rem Mod 760). I can tell you the 200 gr Hornady works very well at 35 Rem +P velocities (~2375 to ~2400 FPS MV). I would think the Hornady 200 gr RN would work as well--I have used them in a Savage Mod 99C 358 Win. This fat doe was slammed down hard at 60 yards with my Traditions G2 single shot 35 Rem. She never got back up.....
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I reload for the 358 Win but my Lyman dies are marked for 356 Win/358 Win like others have stated. I use the 200 gr Hornady Interlock SP bullet in both my 358 Wins and also for 35 Rem +P loads (used in a single shot Traditions G2 rifle and a Rem Mod 760). I can tell you the 200 gr Hornady works very well at 35 Rem +P velocities (~2375 to ~2400 PFS MV). I would think the Hornady 200 gr RN would work as well--I have used them in a Savage Mod 99C 358 Win. This fat doe was slammed down hard at 60 yards with my Traditions G2 single shot 35 Rem. She never got back up.....
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Thanks Jay! I think the 200gr Hornady RN bullets would be great bullets in the 356/358 rifles. I've never heard or read anything bad about their performance on game. Nice doe!
 

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I plan on picking up my Marlin 336/356W re-bore tomorrow. I have 180gr Speer FN, 200gr Hornady RN and 200gr FTX bullets for reloading, as well as 150 new Winchester brass. The fun is about to begin :ridinghorse: :eating:
 

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Good for you!! Mine thrives on the Saeco 250gr Cast FN. So far, I've kept it even with the Winchester factory 250gr load - someday I may wring it out, but it jist works. I've posted the target pic before....
 

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Good for you!! Mine thrives on the Saeco 250gr Cast FN. So far, I've kept it even with the Winchester factory 250gr load - someday I may wring it out, but it jist works. I've posted the target pic before....
Is yours a 336ER with a micro-groove barrel?
 
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