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no I am not hunting them. it is illegal in missouri, but people have been seeing them a lot more now and some are even coming up to people's houses in some areas. I have a 40 cal pistol but if that won't do it maybe i will get a 30/30. does anyone know what would be a good round for defense from these big cats?
 

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Anything you would use to hunt a Missouri whitetail will be plenty for a cat.
 

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ok thanks, i wont be trying the .40 but will try to get something bigger
 

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Your .40 will do, but more guns can't hurt - I'd keep a good black rifle in .223 or .308 in case they came in groups, and of course a tactical shotty too for close quarters work.
 
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a 40 is plenty. If that is what you shoot best, than it's probably your preferred option. With cats, I don't think you need to woory as much about stopping power as you do about how fast you can deliver a shot. If a cat does attack, they rarely attack adult males, there is a chance that cat will be on you before you know it's there. Rifles are almost useless in that scenario, but your handgun is a good choice. my 2 cents
 

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if it is close and intent on doing you harm,(the only way you could legaly kill it claiming self defense) I don't think your chances would be to good with just about anything. their speed, and ability to jump far, claws and teeth. even if you were able to hit a fast moving cat with a pistol or rifle nailing the brain/spine/neck, it would be on you like white on rice. I'd go with a 12ga semi auto shotgun with an extended mag and 00 buckshot and pray. they hunt by ambush and their prey usualy never see them until they have their teeth on it's neck. the few human attacks are mostly mistaken identity, suprize encounters or a sick/starving animal. we had huge ones in Kiowa colorado and I've heard them scream at night, seen their tracks/spoor, where they trailed and killed deer, but never saw one in 3 years.
 

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Good luck with those lions, sad thing is when you stop hunting them, they become accustome to humans and they are not afraid. Same thing is happening in Alaska. They put a moritorium on Brown Bears, same as Grisly, Kodiak and coastal bears, all the same bear. Now- instead of heading the opposit way when they see humans, they become crouius and dangerous. This behaivor change has happened over the last 10 - 15. since they stoped hunting them, Any way I am off target....Any 30/30 with a corlock 170 - 180grs will do the trick. If you have a 308 or a 338, those will work as well. If you are talking about a 40 cal. handgun, you will need a Plus load and a barrel leangth of about 6". Bullet can't reach sufficient velocity with anything shorter IMO. Beside, you don't want to have to get that close, less than 30 yard and a head shot. Rifles work best, 30/30 to say a Marlin 444 with 265gr bullet. Anything in between, shot placement is critical and if you don't have a perfect shot, don't take it. You really do not want a wounded cat any where near you, your family or the neigbors. If you are having cat problems, I would first call the DNR and see if they can trap it, and take it far far away.

They will tag it, if it shows up again near cattle or property, they they will have to destroy it.
 

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Truth is, I get stocked by cats quite often. I do not get alarmed because cats are just plain curious. I almost never see them. I find out they are there by back tracking and finding their tracks on mine. Sometimes I can hear them moving along next to me, just out of sight. On three occasions in my life, when I change direction cutting off of road or trail, I run dab smack into them. They get more confident when they can anticipate your direction. They can anticipate your directions when you are sticking to a trail or logging road. During last year's hunting season, I was constantly being followed by young, probably a 2 year old, mountain lion. I kept hearing it and it's tracks were all over the place when I back tracked. I've never been afraid of them as I had my first face to face run-in with a cat at age 11. I have heard a few stories of cats being fought off with sticks and rocks. People hunt mountain lions with 22 mags and 38 specials. In fact, when I am scouting and getting harassed by cats, I feel quite comfortable having my 38 snubnose sitting free in the holster.
 

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the few human attacks are mostly mistaken identity, suprize encounters or a sick/starving animal. we had huge ones in Kiowa colorado and I've heard them scream at night, seen their tracks/spoor, where they trailed and killed deer, but never saw one in 3 years.
Exactly - chances are slim you'll even see it much less be attacked by it. Remember they attack from altitude - not likely they'll come at you from a bush. Think like you're in bear country and don't surprise one - make noise. Just practice normal prudence when in the woods.
 

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In a pers defense situation a short-barrel pistol with as much caliber as possible. Practice drawing and shooting with both hands. You might have to shoot it one handed while it chews on the other. Or carry a big Bowie knife. Seriously.

After two sightings in six days within a few miles of our house we carry all the time. In the garden, mowing lawn, any time when we might be preoccupied and/or when it is dark.

You're still more likely to win the lottery but with my luck it would be more likely I get attacked by a wild animal than become rich. :)


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One guy I used to work with in Wyoming used nothing but a .22 Mag - - of course, he hunts with dogs, and the "lion's share" of his shots are on treed cats within 50 yards. :biggrin: Another guy I work with drew a tag and was lucky enough to get on a cat (I say lucky, because we cannot use bait or dogs here in SD). His son spotted it first and winged it with a poor shot from a .22-250, and the Father was lucky enough to get a shot with a .270, which put an end to things. That .22-250 would have been sufficient, had the shot been placed properly.

Locally, there have been four long tails shot within the last three weeks - - two within our city limits, one within the city limits of a nearby town, and one just on the edge of another nearby town. One of the cats shot here in town was killed by a RCPD LEO with a .40 - - but given the way our local LEO's shoot, I reckon there was more than one round fired to dispatch that cat. Haven't heard the details of the other three cats.
 

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Mt.lions are thined skined a 223 will do the job or a 44 mag 30 30 or aq 22lr in the right spot.
 

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I've heard that a dish of anti-freeze will kill a house cat. Maybe a bigger dish of the stuff will take care of the big cats. just kidding.....AC
 

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I've heard that a dish of anti-freeze will kill a house cat....
They must have to drink it, because I've soaked a couple of the neighbor's cats in it and all it did was turn them a funny neon-green color.

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They must have to drink it, because I've soaked a couple of the neighbor's cats in it and all it did was turn them a funny neon-green color.

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I don't know this for a fact from first hand experience or anything like that, but a neighbor of a friend of a cousin said that ethylene glycol does wonders for unruly cats if you mix it in some tuna. Especially if you hide the can between the marigolds and iris'... Produces a diabetic reaction coupled with heart attacks.

Or so I've been told anyhow.
 

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Anti freeze ingested causes kidney failure. It's a bad way to go.
 

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"those who do not like cats, were in their former lives rats"
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