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I watched one of these TV hunting shows this morning. This idiot tried to make a 466 yard shot on a bull elk that was accross a canyon on the side of a mountain. 466 yards, rediculaus.

Naturally the guy missed.

What if he had just winged the animal?

I know this a Marlin Forum but I had to get this off my chest.

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I have seen some of them and I agree the shots were not only stupid.. they should have never showed them on TV..
 

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At least they SHOWED the miss. If they showed a bunch of guys taking these too-far shots and hitting/killing the critter every time, too many "Hunters" would try it. Having rangefinders and fancy gear does not increase anyone's ability, but a lot of people think it does. I wish they'd show guys missing at 100 yards, just to remind folks that marksmanship is something you have to work at!

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Ahh, but what if the critter actually tipped over?
He would be canonized as the greatest shot ever!,lol

Hunting shows are just like any other TV shows, they exist to sell products.
Glad I don't get them.
 

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And if had been a guy that was prepared, that had practiced those shots and drilled it right through the heart, would it still be too far?

People miss, hell I've seen guys miss a 30 yard shot. I have also seen poor shots at 30 yards where they blew the leg off an animal.

It is not the distance that one shoots that makes him a hunter or a slob hunter, but rather how well prepared he is and if he puts the bullet on its mark.

A 450+ yard shot is very do-able...IF, you have practiced it and know your rifle and your cartridge. But to just practice a few shots at 100 yards and then take a wild ass guess in the field on a game animal, not real responsible. But that goes for any distance.
 

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When I was in charge of the armory at NAS Whidbey, we had 2 Model 700 Remingtons that were modified by Brown Precision(?) for use as sniper rifles. We were all pretty cocky about it, but learned some humility the first time we tried them out. There is a lot more than looking through a big scope and pulling the trigger, you betcha! As for hunting whitetails........where I live and hunt my iron, or peep, sighted rifles suit me just fine. I definitely know my limits, though.
 

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I agree with Big Med that practice and lots of it will be the deciding factor in making a successful long shot, but across a canyon? On thin ice regarding ethics.

I'll just have to day that I do not enjoy most of the hunting programs on the outdoor channels. Just get the feeling that too many are canned and do not show the hunting spirit accurately.

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the sad part is they only show what they want you to see, i wonder how many poor shots have actually hit an animal and they have never been found ...after all this aint hollywood////
 

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djh said:
I watched one of these TV hunting shows this morning. This idiot tried to make a 466 yard shot on a bull elk that was accross a canyon on the side of a mountain. 466 yards, rediculaus.

Naturally the guy missed.

What if he had just winged the animal?

I know this a Marlin Forum but I had to get this off my chest.

djh
They guy is not an idiot simply because he attempted a 466 yard shot. About three weeks ago I attempted one at a coyote that was a bit further – 479 lasered yards.

Nor do we know from you post (I didn’t see the show and they may or may not have discussed it) how well prepared the guy was. It may well be that he knew his load and rifle, had practiced at similar ranges, and simply botched the shot. Botched shots are not uncommon – I once missed an ‘easy’ shot at a mulie doe at 125 yards. It happens.

On the other hand, if they guy shoots 6” groups at 100 yards and considers it “good enough”, as I’ve seen happen at my club, never practices at ranges beyond 100 or 200 yards, or doesn’t have any real clue about the trajectory of his load, including the effects of wind, then yes, the guy is an idiot.

One of the loads I am considering using this year is a .300 Win Mag load that pushes a 168g bullet to 3246fps. At 465 yards the bullet is down only 19.4” and retains 1999 foot-pounds of energy. Ignoring the wind for a moment, that translates to a hold “high on fur” for a heart shot, and a little over the back for a shoulder shot. This particular load shoots 1 MOA, which is more than adequate for a 466 yard shot on elk. I will, of course, get closer if I can, but it isn’t always possible.

By the way, the 479 yard shot on the coyote was a solid hit a couple inches from the desired point of impact. It was a Texas heart shot (I only take them on coyotes and prairie dogs and will usually pass on them even then) and while the V-MAX bullet failed to penetrate to the vitals, it did knock him down. He struggled to his feet and started walking, presenting a broadside shot. I placed the vertical crosshair on his nose, adjusted the elevation and dropped the second bullet in his lungs for instant lights out. Two shots, two solid hits, both placed as intended.

Fault me if you will for taking Texas Heart shots on varmints, but understand that shots under 500 yards are not that difficult to make *** IF *** the shooter is prepared.
 

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Has anyone seen that video of Jimmy Houston deer hunting inside the fence? Absolutely pathetic. :cry:

I like the Tred Barta show. That guy is pretty goofy but at least he's a real sportsman.

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Babe Winkleman is another one that just kills me.
 

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I stopped whatching them, I've seen guys all set up with a bipod and rests and sand bags and you name it! Boom! The kill shots they show, always look to me like a gut shot! I wonder what kind of hits happen when they show the the guy shooting, then walking up on the animal! The out takes from these show must be em bare assing! :twisted:
 

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Years ago I used to watch several outdoor programs on the tube. There were several locally produced shows which had hunting/fishing/outdoor themes which dealt with the Pacific Northwest. These were areas/streams etc. which were recognizable to the average viewer. There were lots of "how to do" information included in the programs and information on how to access the area featured, a lot of which was public land.

On network TV there was the excellent American Sportsman series on ABC-TV, which featured many show-biz and pro athletic figures.

I cannot watch the shows presented on cable presently. Most of the fishing shows have the featured host giggling and reeling in fish without much instruction on what they are doing.

The hunting shows, in large measure, are a farce. Usually they take place on some game farm. The hunter is escorted to the "hunting site" in a caravan of ATV's. Most everyone is dressed in fashionable "Camo du Jour". The "hunter" is allowed a 27 ft. "stalk" while the prey is strolling on its way to a Purina Buck Chow feeding station some 71 yards away. The hunter is allowed to catch his breath and wipe the sweat from his brow. Usually it show the shot and then eventually the fallen "prey" etc.. The hunter, at times, looks like he could be on a Jenny Craig ad. Later there is conversation on the great hunt while everyone pounds down a few Budweezers, etc.. The whole thing looks as though it could have been produced by PETA. Okay, I'm exagerating, but not by much!
 
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