Well you live and learn I guess. I picked up a TC Venture bolt action All Weather for a very low price at our local gun show and it has really impressed me. I took it out yesterday with some Superformance 139 grain SST's and the rifle was a 3/4 incher at 100 yards and recoil was mild. I mainly bought it for a friend but now I think I will keep it, my friend was looking for a 30-06 but I got it so reasonable I think I will hunt with it. It is stamped TC and has the S&W stamp since S&W bought TC out. The rifles are a cheaper version of the ICON but it appears to be well made and it is very accurate and comfortable to shoot. I would recommend these to someone just starting out strictly because of the price. The rifling in these barrels i called 5R which is more rounded and they say it produces better accuracy and they say the barrels are match quality. It seems that TC and S&W did something right.