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Selling to us Californians is only a hassle when it comes to handguns and "assault weapons". Handguns generally have to be on the Approved Roster by specific model number, and I mean SPECIFIC. Catalog variations not named on the list may not be shipped into the state (I won't go into Single Shot Exemptions or Olympic Competition Pistols).

Assault Weapons are defined as those named in the 1994 Ban and as defined by "features" in the 1999/2000 legislation(semi-auto, pistol grip, detachable magazine outside the grip, flash hider, bayonet lug, blahblahblah). The installation of a "bullet button" on an Off List Lower, making it necessary to use a tool to remove the magazine does, for now, define it as a rifle and not an assault weapon.

Outside of those exceptions, shipping guns into the state for a sale must be to a FFL. Private individuals may ship to a FFL without going thru a local FFL for most transactions. It is up to the FFL if they want to deal with you or not. The resistance comes from two things - 1) The local FFL loses a sale (hence their ability to charge a large service fee), and 2) If the firearm can not be DROS'd and it came from a non-FFL it can be a huge hassle to return it from whence it came.

I have done a few deals with folks online and have never had a problem with my local FFLs, and I've used several. The trick is to check with your local gun store BEFORE you get all liquored up on the couch at 3am and start buying guns online. And maybe buy one at retail price from them once in a while too. Calguns.net used to have a list of FFLs, but I haven't checked lately.

Back to shopping!
 

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I do not know if any of you know this but 01 FFL's numbers are public information and you can get them on the ATF website.

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I live in California and have bought online from out of State sellers and also from sellers inside California. There is no problem, nor red tape for any non license holder to sell to us. The sale is done exactly as if the buyer was not a Calif resident. On the other hand an holder of an FFL has to be registered with California in order to ship a gun to anybody in California. Most FFL's are businessmen and have therefore already done that paper work. (i.e. the online paperwork filled out, and they only do this once in their life). So if you are an individual there are no fees or red tape selling to a Californian over and above selling to a non Californian. If you are an FFL then there is a bit of red tape, takes 15 minutes, and then you are set for life. If you are an individual seller who is going to have an FFL ship for you into California, it is 98% certain that FFL is already set up to do so. Why would he not be set up? He wants to sell anywhere it is legal, and the legality here is a 15 minute trivial thing.
 

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And, I'm curious as to what your response to the MANY Ca FFLs that require sellers to go through extra gyrations and costs then??

I am also a veteran and LOVE my brothers, but have a problem with buyers' FFLs that make me jump thru hoops. Maybe, being from Ca, where u simply "receive" that makes no difference to you??
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Slow down there, brother. Sorry that you've been jumping through hoops. It sounds like you're frustrated. That sucks.

It's the State of California that has the extra restrictions for FFL to FFL (as stated before, if you have 15 minutes to spare, you can get that permit). If you run this as a "business", then that shouldn't be a problem.

If you are not an FFL, just a regular old citizen, then you can ship the firearm real easy, no different than to anywhere else.

As for me, I found an FFL that is easy to work with, is honest, and requires nothing extra. No hoops there.

He's two hours away on most days, if you get going early enough. Did your "hoops" that you jump through take that long? I seriously doubt it...

Anyway, to everyone who has sold me a Marlin, thank you!

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Glad to see this thread is still going. I have not sold anything to California yet, but I started this thread because I found most of the stories to be misinformation. I am not a fan of misinformation.
Sure there are probably dealers in California that are either misinformed or just don't like doing transfers, But guess what? the other 49 states have those also. The plain truth is that selling to California really is not an issue for individuals at all. Period. I would say that finding an FFL is the responsibility of the buyer anyway so the extra foot work really is on them if needed. Our Brothers in Cali need out help and support, and they need guns.
 

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It is easy enough to ship a long gun anywhere in the country via USPS Priority Mail. C&R transactions are a breeze to CA. FFL to FFL require the added CA BS that many FFL dealers refuse to do. Some CA dealers refuse shipment from non-FFL holders. Ind to CA FFL via USPS is painfree.
 

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California is like a foreign country to me and a lot of others. Let them sit in there little socialistic Ameritopia out there. Eat there granola and tree bark and drive around in there little toyota prius looking down on the rest of AMERICA. I would never ship to that commie state either.
The commie elitists aren't the ones buying guns. I figure every gun shipped into the state pisses those people off and helps the good folks still there, so it's win win.
It's like a modern day Berlin Airlift.
 

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I walked into the local post office a month ago and shipped a 336rc to california with Z E R O issues or problems. I am not an FFL and you do not have to be an FFL to ship to california. I shipped my rifle to a California FFL with nothing but a copy of my Ohio drivers license in the box with the rifle. The FFL tried to charge my buyer tax and found out very quickly he is not allowed to do so when the TRANSFER is from an out of state private seller. Selling to CA as a private owner is as easy as selling to any other state.
 

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Yeah, it's really a non-issue for you guys out of state to sell to us. It's us here in CA that have the majority of the hurdles to jump. And really if it's a lever gun being sent there are no issues.

Probably the best reference for CA related gun questions is the Calguns Foundation, specifically the Wiki. Check it out here: The Calguns Foundation Wiki.
 

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As a relative new member, I am happy to help.
I am an FFL licensee and owner of a gun store and range in Fresno, Ca. The Range Pistol Club - Fresno's Premier Indoor Firearm Range
We receive firearms from out of state people all the time.
PM me and let me know how I can help.

Fresno, thanks for the help! I don't know how many nice rifles I've had to pass on because the seller didn't want to deal with CA. With you on board we might be able to bring more of these guns into our hands!
 

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I found a thread started by CaptainMal back in February last year, merged it with the newer thread you guys have going, it took dating preference so things look a bit different, but this is something that should be included in the shipping to thread. Mr fixit
 

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A private individual can ship easily to an FFL. Longguns can be shipped legally to an FFL in California or out of California using the United States Postal Service. Always some Dealers restricting the flow of transfer of Firearms due to fear.
 

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Yeah it's a new thing here, the State BOE (board of equalization) notified dealers they had to collect tax from out of state dealers sales. And you are correct a private sale is not one of the types in which sales tax is required! Good catch on that one.
 

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Yeah it's a new thing here, the State BOE (board of equalization) notified dealers they had to collect tax from out of state dealers sales. And you are correct a private sale is not one of the types in which sales tax is required! Good catch on that one.
Actually all sales are subject to sales tax. The difference is that when a gun comes from a dealer, the dealer will include the price paid. When it come from a private seller the details of the transaction, including the price paid, are private. The CA FFL will ask you how much you paid. What you tell them is entirely up to you....:flute:
 
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I shipped a Browning A-Bolt 22 mag. to Cal. after the guys FFL called me and said he would receive it with no problem and no extra cost. I shipped it USPS priority mail with no hitches. It is actually easier for an individual to ship than it is a dealer, but I make their FFL call me or email me to make the arrangements before they bid on the item.
 
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