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hi all Im hoping some one can tell me what i really need and what i can do with out to hand load for my 45/70 guide gun the bare minimum I dont have a lot of money to spend here so if you could tell me about how much each item i need is and recomened brand names if thats allowed on this site ever thing i need to hand load I plan on loading 350 grain Aframe bullits at about 2200 ft per sec i have once shot brass so i,ll use that never hand loaded so i will be learning as i go
 

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boredintr:biggrin: we are here to enable you too (just give me your credit card and we will load ya down:biggrin:).

Honestly I don't know what you have in used supply's. Years ago i bought a RCBS partner Press kit... Later i got a Rock chucker press.

IMO buy the starter kit, Just a single stage. In Hornady, RCBS. later you will need a trimmer and a tumbler. There is also a hand press :hmmmm:
You will need a good veneer caliper.
:top: you will save because you know what bullet you want and you will use standard primers... Lets see what powders you have available up there...
I'm sure you will bet plenty of advice here.
 

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The first thing I would get is a reloading manual. Lee, RCBS, and Hornady I think all offer starter kits that have most of what you'll need. The rest you'll pick up along the way. If I might offer this advice....moderate level loads will do anything that needs doing. You'll also have a little more peace of mind. Have fun and enjoy it. It's addicting!!
 

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yes but how much to spend only looking for 40 loads a week to practice and a couple extra aweek in hunting season
 

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I think the cheapest kit is a little over a hundred bucks. A pound of powder about twenty-five, primers about four dollars a hundred. Swift A- Frames are mighty fine bullets I've heard, but Mucho expensive. A good cast bullet is hard to beat and the cheapest you can shoot. They'll also handle anything that walks.
 

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if you don't have a lot of money and are not doing that many rounds the original lee loader is 25bucks and all you need is a rubber hammer. this is how i got into reloading. eventully you will want to get a press but to start off this is a great option. cabelas sells 'em
 

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what i really need and what i can do with out to hand load for my 45/70 guide gun the bare minimum
What you really need is a Lee classic loader

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Read the little data sheet. Figure out the powder drop size, that scoop only works while with some load combos.

Then go buy some pirmers, and powder, and you off and reloading, Maybe $60 if you have to pay a lot of them.

So darn easy you can do it on a stump ( I use a TV tray)

I do not load like this guy, I add wads and such. But it will give you an idea.

 
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Lee loader will do the job but I would add a set of scales,
They will allow you to safely load any listed load instead of being limited to the data supplied by Lee.
 

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It sounds like .45-70 is a caliber that can be hand loaded very simply without lots of equipment or skill. I realize one has to know enough to be safe.

Am I correct that .45-70 can be loaded with a press, a scale and cartridge supplies (bullets, casings, primers, etc.)? What about all the other stuff you guys talk about, like a trimmer. Does the straight wall .45-70 eliminate the need for all the other fancy loading tools? Surely I must be missing something here.
 

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thank you the video makes it look so easy i am really only looking for one load that does it all i think a 350 Aframe should be that load at about 2200 ft per sec with one load the sites will never have to be adjusted it will be up to me to adjust for distance moose and deer elk will be self limited to 150 yrds and bear a lot closed the 350 gr will take down a griz if you think or know diffrent please let me know as i am betting my life on this thanks again to all who have replied
 

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For a little more money than a Lee Loader you can get a Lee Hand Press kit and a set of 45/70 dies. Get their little cheapie scale or just their set of measuring dippers and you are all set. Should the reloading bug get you, you can upgrade the press, and the dies will work with any press. Also if you have another caliber you may decide to reload for the Lee hand press will work, just get more dies.. This is the route I went and my 45/70 Lee Loader sits in a drawer. YMMV

Breech Lock Hand Press Kit
 

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The hand press is the next step up, it uses dies, which gives you more bullet and powder combos.
It does cost more, and is not a self contained kit, like the Classic loader.

Cheap scales are just that, they take longer to use, are fustrating, and wear out.
Once more the OP wanted low cost.

Lees low end press kits, are Chinese made junk. The scale and powder drop wont last a year.

Cheaper bullets, jacketed
InterLock Bullets 45 Cal (458 Diameter) 350 Grain Flat Nose Box of 50

Id stay away from cast, until you get more knowledge about reloading. There is more to do with cast.
The speed the OP wants exceeds cast with out special considerations.
 
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The hand press is the next step up, it uses dies, which gives you more bullet and powder combos.
It does cost more, and is not a self contained kit, like the Classic loader.

Cheap scales are just that, they take longer to use, are fustrating, and wear out.
Once more the OP wanted low cost.

Lees low end press kits, are Chinese made junk. The scale and powder drop wont last a year.
The Lee scale may not be the best, and is a bit frustrating at first but wearing it out? I can't imagine where the wear points would be or how many pounds of powder it would take. As for China made, that could be, I was always told Lee made their stuff in the states. Anyway, regardless I have been using my Lee Hand Press, Lee scales, trimmer and what not on a weekly basis for over 2 years now loading mostly 45 Colt as that is what I shoot most often, but also some 45-70 as well. Nothing is showing any signs of wear, or has broke down etc. Maybe eventually or if I really tried to break it it would, but for me it has saved me a grand and probably more already over factory so if something did take a dump I wouldn't have been hurt too bad all in all. again YMMV.
 
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It sounds like .45-70 is a caliber that can be hand loaded very simply without lots of equipment or skill. I realize one has to know enough to be safe.

Am I correct that .45-70 can be loaded with a press, a scale and cartridge supplies (bullets, casings, primers, etc.)? What about all the other stuff you guys talk about, like a trimmer. Does the straight wall .45-70 eliminate the need for all the other fancy loading tools? Surely I must be missing something here.
Well, this guy is skilled but he is not checking the weight of his charges. I would never do that and I don't care for the Lee kit. I guess I have been spoiled as I have been using an RCBS Rock Chucker kit for 30 years and it still keeps putting out great shells. The 45/70 reloads great in the single stage RCBS.

A trimmer is needed when the case has been fired and resized enough times that it is too long to be safe. I have found that I need to trim 45/70 after about five fire/resize cycles. Others may have found more/less. This also brings up the issue of a case measuring gauge or caliper. I still think you are better off just buying an RCBS kit with everything you would need from press and scale to caliper.
 

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To the OP: The bottom line is everyone is going to have an opinion as to what they think is the minimum you will need to load ammunition. Some people have found satisfaction with Lee stuff such as myself, others would only use RCBS while someone else, maybe Hornady, and yet someone else is fine with a good mallet and a Lee Loader. Bottom line is they all will work, and furthermore they all likely will produce quality ammunition for years provided the person hand loading does his job. Let your own needs and budget concerns be your guide!
 

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Id say eaglesnest has made a good point. Opinions vary. I have a classic loader for 45-70. I also have a RCBS press, which was given to me. I would use the press any day of the week over the classic loader. Now the hand press is something I haven't tried. But, I bet it's way better and more versatile than the classic loader. Yes, the classic loaders work, but if you can afford to spend a little more, you will likely be saving more in the long run. What I am trying to say is you are most likely going to LOVE reloading. And if I'm right, you will quickly outgrow the classic loader in very little time.

Just another opinion.
 
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