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I do not intend for this topic to invoke "problems" for larry. I was not surprized when I first observed this story on the news a few days ago.

For years, there have been random killings during the hunting seasons nation wide. This multiple massacre was the first of its kind anywhere in the U.S. that I am aware of and it got me to "re-thinking" some issues that I have always subscribed to in the field.

I do not have all of the facts due to the nature of how this report became public in the first place, but some aspects of the scenario do appear to have "ALARM" written all over them. My hunting season for deer this year was short by choice because here in eastern Wa. the deer season is way too crowded and I felt that taking my young son out would be more a danger to him than the experience is worth under such conditions of over-crowding. I have been observed through the rifle scopes of hunters in the past, not a comforting position to find oneself in to be sure. That is one reason why I have become so much interested in bear hunting, less armed populace and less chance of something going wrong that may concern other people.

I think that we need to examine what happened, what we might have done given a similar circumstance and otherwise have some form of attitude and planned action prior to such an event.

I am geussing at the possible actions that may have contributed or even led directly to such a tragety, but right off the top of my head I come up with two plausible reasons.
One) The hunters who approached the tresspasser-turned killer may not have used the manners that one might have expected.
Two) Race may have played some role initially when the hunters contacted the violater.

Whether those are correct assumptions or not, the cold hard fact is that 5 armed(?) hunters were gunned down during the intitial onslaught and then three more when "help" arrived. My contention, standing on my own beliefs and background, is that at least one member of the party could have been expected to stop the killer had they been in the right frame of mind and not so trusting of the "safety in numbers" game.

I am interested to know how you folks feel about what happened and what measures you might consider knowing what is possible out in the real world where life is less valuable than it once was?
 

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well.......

well, watch the hands.....when talking with a armed total stranger, have your weapon loaded and at "port arms" or at least handled securely...and watch the hands ALWAYS! I never have provoked a bad response in getting hunters off our farm land, as they might have done something stupid, but i will ask them to unload their rifle and let me escort them off my land, never had problems in 20yrs of this.
in other words, respect, but careful. most people are just out for a nice hunt/day in the woods, i never ran into anybody tt wasn't in the right frame of mind.
but times are a changing folks! crack heads, foreign "relocated nationals" and people with just plain bad motives!
just follow common sense, be polite, treat others the way you would want to be treated, and watch the hands! :wink:
 
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Great posts from both of you...

I like the idea of asking a trespasser to unload his rifle prior to moving off your property...

A trespasser with a firearm should be dealt with in a respectable manor, even if it isn't your nature to do that...maybe even starting with an extended hand....

The important details of how this all unfolded will come out and Iam sure we'll all learn something from it...

BTW..you guys, if you don't look in the Big Bore Forum , there are three threads there on the topic with many very good thoughts from fellow hunters...
 

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I have read the court report from the first “fact finding” inquest. It is going to take time to sort this all out. The shooter’s statement does not fit the evidence found (no surprise there) or statements from the survivors.

This is a very sad thing and I pray for the families of all concerned. What worries me the most however is how the anti-gun groups will try to use this against us.
 
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According to the newspaper, only one of the victims had a gun, but no report whether he ever fired it. By the mans own testimony, he actually ran them down and killed him. The paper also said that confrontations were all too often because these folks, laotians, don't recognize property boundaries. They seem to believe they can go wherever they want. A real trajedy. Let us all learn a lesson here. Even though you might be in the right, be polite but firm, and never, NEVER, approach a possible confrontation unarmed. POWDERMAN. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
 

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Powderman your correct about only one of them having a rifle..
Bad part is that this has happend in the Past also and with the Same Shooter.... I am sure when all the facts are out it may make some kinda sense.... But he still murdered people running away from him that were no thread... This also will play into the Anti Gunners hands ..
 
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