Dont know about the load but be sure to post pics of that Boone&Crockett stump when you get done with it.
Real Heavy Bullets in 45 70
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I shoot a 500gn FN paper patched bullet out of my 1895CB and it is at 1420FPS and I use a load of IMR3031 recoil is not that bad and it is at the bottom of suggested starting loads. I also shoot a 420gr cast bullet that I have shot both plain and PP that penetrates very well and travel faster. The picture is of one that went through a big tree and the slug was just inside the bark on the far side. It retained most of it's weight after the shot, somewhere around 314.4 grains.
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The limbsaver sure will be working overtime. The reason I use the Past is really me being a bit selfish, If some one else uses the rifle with heavy loads they will only shoot it once and not ask for a shot again.
As I said earlier the 40gr AR 2219 load is the sweet spot for those huge bullets.
The limbsaver sure will be working overtime. The reason I use the Past is really me being a bit selfish, If some one else uses the rifle with heavy loads they will only shoot it once and not ask for a shot again.
As I said earlier the 40gr AR 2219 load is the sweet spot for those huge bullets.
If you want the most "tree penetration" then keep the velocity low enough that the bullet doesn't deform or shatter. I was shocked last year when I had some hard cast 405gr loads using Trail Boss go through a big log behind my target. Either 16" or 18" diameter IIRC.leverlad said:Cos the heavy bullets penetrate further than light ones ... and I need them to go through a large tree to save face ...!
Chris.
G'day leverlad.
I went on the heavy bullet crusade more than six months ago. I wanted to duplicate Garrets 540gn Hammer head ammo to take a few Water Buffalo in the Northern Territory on a mate’s 20 million acre Arnhemland hunting concession. He's doubtful of the ability of a 45/70 to take a proper floodplain grown bull. So with that I made it a mission to show him it can be done effectively with a "cowboy gun" as he calls it and with cast bullets to boot.
I had a custom mold made by Mountain Molds that has an 80% meplat and comes out at 550gns with gas check. I tried to make it similar to Garrets but with the proviso that it would work through a Marlin with microgroove rifling without accuracy/tumbling problems.
Here's my version
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After nearly 3 months of internet research I came up with a load that is safe in a Marlin.
To duplicate Garrets 1550 fps I use 44.5gns of AR2206H with the 550gn
My max load is 47gns AR2206H for 1640fps. This is a max load because it completely fills the case and is already compressed.
There maybe some more to be gained from using Benchmark 2 but I haven't gone this route because the recoil from my max load is already quite substantial!!
I believe AR2206H is the same as H4895 which is made here in Oz.
This I can assure you will satisfy your penetration/power requirements once you fire one!
Regards
Brett
I went on the heavy bullet crusade more than six months ago. I wanted to duplicate Garrets 540gn Hammer head ammo to take a few Water Buffalo in the Northern Territory on a mate’s 20 million acre Arnhemland hunting concession. He's doubtful of the ability of a 45/70 to take a proper floodplain grown bull. So with that I made it a mission to show him it can be done effectively with a "cowboy gun" as he calls it and with cast bullets to boot.
I had a custom mold made by Mountain Molds that has an 80% meplat and comes out at 550gns with gas check. I tried to make it similar to Garrets but with the proviso that it would work through a Marlin with microgroove rifling without accuracy/tumbling problems.
Here's my version
After nearly 3 months of internet research I came up with a load that is safe in a Marlin.
To duplicate Garrets 1550 fps I use 44.5gns of AR2206H with the 550gn
My max load is 47gns AR2206H for 1640fps. This is a max load because it completely fills the case and is already compressed.
There maybe some more to be gained from using Benchmark 2 but I haven't gone this route because the recoil from my max load is already quite substantial!!
I believe AR2206H is the same as H4895 which is made here in Oz.
This I can assure you will satisfy your penetration/power requirements once you fire one!
Regards
Brett
I really don't understand the competition between a 45-70 and a .308. These are probably my 2 favorite calibers and I don't see them really in competition with each other. Each have their purpose in ones arsenal of weapons and both will kill very effectively. Now if you are trying to measure the size of a hole it will put in a tree then the 45-70 is .458 and the .308 is .308. It is a shame that so many good trees must give their life to prove a point that really isn't a point at all.leverlad said:Cos the heavy bullets penetrate further than light ones ... and I need them to go through a large tree to save face ...!
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In defense of myself that tree was in the way. ;D ;D Actually I was on a friends ranch and he wanted to see what my 45-70 would do, and needless to say he was impressed.rhendrix said:I really don't understand the competition between a 45-70 and a .308. These are probably my 2 favorite calibers and I don't see them really in competition with each other. Each have their purpose in ones arsenal of weapons and both will kill very effectively. Now if you are trying to measure the size of a hole it will put in a tree then the 45-70 is .458 and the .308 is .308. It is a shame that so many good trees must give their life to prove a point that really isn't a point at all.
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As well he should have been impressed. The 45-70 is an impressive round and they are just plain fun to shoot. I love them for what they can do and I love the .308 because of what it can do with consistancy.janott said:In defense of myself that tree was in the way. ;D ;D Actually I was on a friends ranch and he wanted to see what my 45-70 would do, and needless to say he was impressed.
Well said Ron!! Why you boys wanna load up all those great big slow bullets?? Don't mean to pull anyones chain, but I never understand this big bullet thing in an age when we have very capable lower weight rounds ???
But, if it blows your skirt up then what the heck : :
But, if it blows your skirt up then what the heck :
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