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hit the range this morning and brought my chrony master along for grins.
data from this morning
1894P 16 inch with ports,screens at 10 ft from the bench.these were shot at the 25 yard pistol range so not posting any groups,25 yards who cares :shock:

rem 210 gr hp
19.5 gr AA#9
rem brass
win lg pistol primer
avg for 10 rd's 1685 fps

mag tech 240 gr sp
19.2 grs AA#9
rem brass
CCI lg pistol primer
avg 1583 fps

240 gr swc .429 my cast
8.8 grs unique
rem brass
win lg pistol primer
avg 1220 fps

240 gr mag tec jsp
19.0 grs 2400
rem brass
cci lg pistol primer
avg 1536 fps

44 SPECIAL****

240 gr swc .429 my cast
6.2 grs unique
pmc 44 special brass
cci lg pistol primer
AVG 996.5 fps
FWIW

this load also avg 784.8 fps in my S&W 629-4 44 mag mountain gun 4 inch barrel

for the 44-40 guys
navy arms (92) 20 inch barrel
205 gr LFN my cast .429
9.0 grs unique
starline brass
win lg pistol primer
AVG 1250 fps and dead accurate :D :D
pete
 

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just finished cleaning the marlin up.pretty surprized no leading :D .since I see there isn't much intrest here with data I won't bore y'all with it anymore.
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Thanks for posting the data txpete.I also like to see what different loads actually do. I have been wanting to get a chrony for awhile now.Have you used any Lil'Gun in your 44 mag loads?I have tried some in my 1894 Cowboy 44 mag and it shot great.I'm wondering how fast those 240's are going out of the 24" tube.If you get around to using it let me know,or if I get a chrony soon enough I'll post my velocities here.
 

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Thanks for posting TXPETE!

I've printed out your post for reference. I haven't chronied any of my loads yet but seeing what others are getting with similar loads is helpful and very interesting.

I was glad to see you get over 1500 fps with the 240 jsp/2400 load. I shot a very similar load (18.7 gr of 2400 under a 240g jsp w/ a 20" barrel) and I was hoping it would be in th 1500 fps ball park.

2400 is the only powder I've tried for 44 Remington magnum so far. Your data is a great help when considering other powders.

THANK YOU!!! :D
 

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no problem and glad to hear that the info will be of help.

next project is putting on my williams reciever sight I just got in the mail.
try a scope on the 1894P but it just ruined the handling and balance of the snubby 44 mag :shock: .
I am planning on using it for the brush deer hunting this year.
fwiw file...
midway has mag tech 240 gr jsp bullets at $36.00 for 500.haven't done any real accuracy tests for groups but they seems to shoot well and the best part CHEAP :D .
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Dang it, now I want one of those little 44s!

I agree with you on the scope issue. My 44 came with a scope and I just couldn't get used to it. Even though my eyes don't like the opens like they once did, I can still shoot em on a sunny day. Once the light fades, I start to struggle.

I'm looking forward to a range report with the Williams sights. Those will likely be my next accessory for my 1894(s).

I'm off to the range with two 1894 Marlins! Today is a good day! :D :D
 

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Glad to hear about those 44's. I’m still waiting for the 1894 in 44 mag/spc I ordered. When I asked the clerk if he had any Marlin 1894's in stock he tried to push one of those “1894P +p” on me. But I’m more comfortable with a 20".
Got some 240 Hornady HP/XTP’s & Rem JHP’s loaded with 2400 (18.0, 18.5, 19.0) ready & I’ll be trying the same with some Win 210 STHP’s. Got a box of 240 Oregon “Laser Cast” but I may get some (nickle plated) 44 special brass for that. Gonna try some W231 too.

I’ll be interested in hearing more results
 

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Back from the range with a little more load data to contribute.

20" microgroove barrel, 44 Remington Magnum, open sights, from bench with forend rested on sandbag. 85* sunny, clear and windy;

200g JHP Hornaday #4410
22.8g of 2400
CCI 350 LP magnum primers
COL 1.600"
Winchester & PMC once fired cases (1.275")
LEE Dies
1960-1967 fps (only chronographed one group)
1-3/4" group @ 50 yards (Shoots 4" above point of aim at 50 yards)
4-1/2" group at 100 yards (wind quartering fron rear left to right, 4 of 5 shots inside 3-1/2")
 

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good input,I wonder if the ballard rifling adds/looses velocity when compared to the micro groove??
 
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Just got back from vacation in Durango - took my '94p for my old Dad to shoot - he was bit by my 338rum 1st, so he did not shoot the '94p much - I ran around 50 rounds, of 240 jsp ammo -some reloads and some factory, white box Winchester. Thanks for the load data and crony work - very helpful.
 

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Just read an article in “Handloader Magazine” (Aug) about using non-mag primers (CCI 300 & Fed 150's) for powders like 2400, 231, N110,340,350,3n37, etc. Seem’s that you’ll get higher velocities with 2400 and “standard primers” and stay within recommended SAMMI pressure ! But “Mag” primers can raise the pressures as much as 25% and should be used on powders like 296 & H-110 (specially in extreme cold).

Can’t find any 300 & 150's around here but got a lot of Win (WLP) Large Pistol for Standard or Magnum loads. I just got to figure where they fall in, in all this.
 

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txpete said:
good input,I wonder if the ballard rifling adds/looses velocity when compared to the micro groove??
I read somewere that the micro-groove holds the bullet a little tighter. So I would figure it reduces the velocity a little.
But the trade off is it gives it a tighter spin for more accuracy.
 

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My microgroove seems to shoot a little quicker than the "book" values for the loads.

I got a chance to chronograph my 240g Montana Gold JHP bullet over 18.7 gr of 2400 (Alliant's listed MAX) and it came in at 1550-1557.

Target photos; http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1061550

:oops: Now I've just noticed that my Speer #13 is using CCI 300 primers and I have been using CCI 350 Magnum Primers.... :oops:

My older manual (#11) lists CCI 350 primers. :?
 

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kind of makes you think....
my hornady 3rd ed pg. 296
240 gr hp # 4420

start charge 18.5 grs 1500 fps...max 23.0 grs 1800 fps OAL 1.610

weapon used
ruger carbine 18 inch barrel 1-38 twist case frontier win 7m-11f primers

as far as I know the burn rate hasn't changed on 2400?????
pete
 

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txpete said:
weapon used
ruger carbine 18 inch barrel 1-38 twist case frontier win 7m-11f primers
Are those Win 7m-11f primers magnum?
 

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hey wet dog,really don't know forsure but i'll be those are the "old" win mag primer.
off subject just finished casting up a bunch of 205 gr lfn's to try in the marlin 1894P.the mould is for my 44-40 and had to add a bunch of linotype to get them to drop .430.just going to tumble lube and shoot unsized.report to follow :D
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Nice shooting Wet Dog. I’m using the same 2400 loads with Hornady & Remington 240 HP’s @ 50yds & XS Ghost Sight, but I’m not getting as tight of group. It may be because the gun is brand new and the barrel need’s a little “seasoning”. The same thing happened with my 336, it took about 100+ rounds befor it tightened up. I think I’m about at that point. When I finished testing some handloads, I fired off what was left ([email protected]) from the day before. The group was a lot better 2'nd time around.
 

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txpete said:
off subject just finished casting up a bunch of 205 gr lfn's to try in the marlin 1894P.the mould is for my 44-40 and had to add a bunch of linotype to get them to drop .430.just going to tumble lube and shoot unsized.report to follow :D
pete
Pete, I'm looking forward to see how those 205 gr shoot in that 1894P. How fast will you push them? Let us know how they feed too.

Wet Dog
 

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my next range day is wed.I'll let you know.I volunteer I day a week at the local range,retirement isn't such a bad deal :D
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