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Yeah, there ya go, be good unarmed witnesses providing you live to be one...
Truer words were never spoken! Post of The Week! QED. Thus endeth the lesson.

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I sure would like to know the whole story. I do not believe in what the chief said. But in this case maybe the guy with a gun would have been better off to not draw and fire.

According to police, a woman was walking near 9th Street and Franklin Street around 6 p.m. Monday when she was approached by a suspect who attempted to take her camera.


During the struggle, investigators said a nearby resident came up and fired several rounds toward the suspect.

No one was hit, but when police arrived, the man with the gun was arrested while the robbery suspect got away.

"We just want to reassure the community that we're doing a thorough job of investigating what happened last night," said Chief Armstrong, adding "the District Attorney will determine whether charges are appropriate or not."
Sounds like the guy got lucky and did not hit someone he should not have.
 
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If this is Oakland, nr San Francisco, I did a job with them. It was a graveyard shift in the 80s. Odd old world.
 

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I'm sure the chief would tell the same think to his wife and kid's! Liberalism is a mental disorder that started in California.
This is why people are fleeing California.
The Chief must not be reading his own local news. Just maybe he should connect his stance on crime with Oakland's stellar crime record.
 

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The Chief must not be reading his own local news. Just maybe he should connect his stance on crime with Oakland's stellar crime record.

Yeah, all the anti-LEO rhetoric by liberal politicos and their complicit liberal MSM has worked wonders. Not to mention, leading by example of their lawlessness. We're headed straight to a third world country in record time.


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The Chief must not be reading his own local news. Just maybe he should connect his stance on crime with Oakland's stellar crime record.
I am not gong there by free will and if forced I sure am not going unarmed and passive.
 

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Armed citizens should observe and report violent attacks, rather than try to defend themselves or other innocent victims, according to Oakland Police Chief LeRonne Armstrong. The chief’s statement came during a briefing on the arrest of a business owner in Oakland, California’s Chinatown earlier this week. ...- Cam Edwards

Read more: Oakland Police Chief Wants "Good Witnesses," Not Armed Citizens – Bearing Arms
when you “quote” someone don’t just cut and paste from a right slanted website.
look up exactly what he said. Here it is.

"When weapons are fired in our community, there could be unintended victims," said Armstrong Tuesday afternoon. "We don't want our business owners or others to begin to arm themselves. We would really prefer them to be good witnesses."
 

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Yeah, there ya go, be good unarmed witnesses providing you live to be one.

There is a serious mental illness affecting a lot of folks in America these days. The Oakland Police Chief being a prime example.

So much for your oath meaning to uphold constitutional law. Lie and cheat your way into an authoritarian position. We don't need to be concerned providing our own self defense, just call the police, hide, and cross your fingers.

Not gonna happen.

Jack
My sentiments exactly, I've decided that I'm too old to get beat up and I'm not going to stand by and watch innocents slaughtered or raped. I'll trust the jury.
 

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The Chief must not be reading his own local news. Just maybe he should connect his stance on crime with Oakland's stellar crime record.
CA has been ruined by Socialists.
 

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They want to ruin the Country, I have had it with them. Go ahead dims, pack the Courts, add States, let dims vote 50 times, dead people have rights save all of those names also, cross over State lines to vote, mark up 300 thousand votes and send them to each battle ground State, screw the voting machines, pay off the Gov and Sec of State. Do your worst you sorry you know whats but don't forget "we the people" are still out here.......
 

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Armed citizens should observe and report violent attacks, rather than try to defend themselves or other innocent victims, according to Oakland Police Chief LeRonne Armstrong.
Le-Ronne?

Lets not forget where his 'roots' are most likely planted and how the 'apple doesn't fall far from the tree'.....
 

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Armed citizens should observe and report violent attacks, rather than try to defend themselves or other innocent victims, according to Oakland Police Chief LeRonne Armstrong. The chief’s statement came during a briefing on the arrest of a business owner in Oakland, California’s Chinatown earlier this week. ...- Cam Edwards
Montezumaz, your Thread here presents information which instantly raises Red Flags. Let me apologize in advance if I'm ultimately wrong. But the readily available information to which you referred, doesn't support the allegations you're fronting here. Did you check out the very materials you reference? The video? The scenario as presented in written material?

A momentary aside. My own credentials lest I'm instantly written off with words of scorn and hatred! I'm hardly pro gun control! NRA Life member since my dad gifted it to me at age 18. That was 1958, friends! I'm military retired and subsequently law enforcement retired. Latter under disability for hazardous duty injury, itself almost quarter century ago. Last, civilian engaged with law enforcement overseas under US State Dept auspices. So, OK! I'm pro gun, pro military, pro law enforcement! Marlins: main interest in 36, 336, .444, 45-70, 45 Colt, 450 Marlin. Also Winchester Model 70 and Oberndorf Commercial Mausers. Handguns, S&W, Colt, primarily. World of guns, secondary!

All said... Having a real problem with this Thread and some subsequent, seeming blind rah-rah supporting posts here! I don't like "disinformation", that the politest term to conjure. As disinformation targeting folks in a gun friendly forum, what the heck! Particularly obnoxious! Deception of our own folks, hardly suggesting "united front"!
I speaking here of the information made available, plainly in contrast to the very central assertions offered! The Oakland Chief 'might' have uttered the words claimed. But the BS-O-Meter, tending to peg concerning probability. Definitely requiring specific 'sound supporting evidence'. Not just lacking here. But tending to "controvert"!

The actual scenario of which the referenced video speaks and accompanying provided written info speak: A purse snatcher and victim, engaged at max, possibly to be termed 'tug-o-war! Such two, being fired upon by a citizen likely fortunately missing all, considering! No suggestion of crook deadly force employed. The intervening shooter, under stated circumstances, almost surely "excess force". Citizens nor police authorized or empowered by laws of most all US jurisdictions to shoot petty crooks so engaged in tug-o-wars!. Then too, the hazard of someone even presumably seeking to aid, sending bullets flying around! That alone, a more serious hazard than purse snatching presented! Apparently the victim was resisting. That too, frankly happens and legal, but "lawful" as yet "dumb". Better the crook take the purse rather than victim with such consequence as a knife in the ribs... or as here resulting possible bullet in head!

The actual proposition, "better bystanders as "good witnesses" rather than engaging. Such generally damned good advice re such as petty crime where any intervention may lead to escalation and possible serious injury or fatality. Even police in such as hostage situations, goal to "deescalate", not sending bullets flying, at least in America! Widely espoused "witness" context in preventing bystanders getting themselves injured, killed or provoking the crook to violence! If one of those rounds had nailed even the perp in petty crime scenario presented, gross bystander overreaction. If such rounds nailed innocent person anywhere within range... Capital crime charge against bystander, potential . Here, no suggestiong of bystander ever being personally challenged. Strictly "intervening" without personal provocation, Only "reasonable force" entitlement very "iffy". Last point, the petty crime rate always increases in bad economic times; as now. Sometime good folks get desperate. Hungry kids at home, a powerful motivator. Not justifying crimes, however petty, but perhaps killing a parent trying to provide, not a good "gun rights" human interest side story! The right to use lethal force is circumscribed for good reason. Judges hear cases, weigh "mitigating evidence including "motive". Bullets, don't!

Next focusing on the matter of the police arresting the bystander shooter instead of the crook. How many reading this, think the crook likely waited around patiently for police arrival on average perhaps ten or so minutes later. Suggesting police abandoning opportunity to chase crook; lies replacing logical reality! To address a 'purse snatcher gone some minues, or "man//woman with a gun" having fired in in urban setting. The suggested allegation under analysis; worse than false. Intentional distortion! Nothing less! Painting the cops as stupid or themselves bad guys. I resent that! Beyond "Get Real!

Now, getting back further back! The core problem. This Thread! Crafting, preaching intentional falsehoods, to vary felllow gun rights supporters! The effect, to discredit the gun rights cause! Suggesting only defensible as requiring webs of lies! Providing such allegations as playing into the hands of those who would use the "false information" format to dismiss all credible facts supporting 2nd Amendment! Damn! Sound the call, with examples reflecting true events, honestly & fairly presented. Falsity and deception, especially as crudely done, the real "shocking shooting scenario" here, Accomplished, a self-inflicted foot wound as encouraging others to support and participate...!
United we stand, disinformation as tool among ourselves, to fail!
Whew and... My definite take!
John
 

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I sure would like to know the whole story. I do not believe in what the chief said. But in this case maybe the guy with a gun would have been better off to not draw and fire.



Sounds like the guy got lucky and did not hit someone he should not have.
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I sure would like to know the whole story. I do not believe in what the chief said. But in this case maybe the guy with a gun would have been better off to not draw and fire.



Sounds like the guy got lucky and did not hit someone he should not have.
I hate to say this but the Good Samaritan is in whole heap of trouble for firing at suspect. If the woman’s life was not in immediate danger there was no justification in discharging his firearm at the robber.
 
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