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I got my Lee Kit today and a set of dies for the 30-30. I have always shoot the Winchester 170gr SP. A good friend of mine just gave my 1000 empty 30-30 brass. I would like to duplicate the
Winchester load if possible. I'm not trying to make 30-30 hot loads nor improve accuracy. I have larger Marlins to hunt with to accomplish this if needed. Any info would be great help.

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I like the Winchester 170grn SilverTips (no longer available as a component... :'( ) as well. I usually load H322, but my next set will probably be IMR3031.
 

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Well, I should have also said another friend gave me 6lbs of IRM4598, and a Lyman reloading manual that list several loads for this powder. Now all I need is bullets,a and primers. I have several good friends that really want my into reloading.
 

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North-Woods said:
Sorry, I meant IMR4895.
IMR4895 will work fine. I use H4895 as my main 30-30 powder. I shoot the 170 gr Remington Core-Lokt or the Speer FN the most, but I also have about 200 170 gr Silvertips stashed away. ;D

I haven't chronographed the Winchester load, but I have chronographed the Federal 170 gr load. It clocked 2140 fps out of my 20" barrel. With H4895, I was able to get 2145 fps with the 170 gr Core-Lokt, which basically approximates the factory load. To determine this, though, you need a chronograph. Following the velocities listed in the manuals for a given powder weight is rarely correct in the real world of your gun.
 

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I hope this isn't a double post. Thanks so much for the info. I'm 52 and been hunting over the years with my larger Marlins 375,356,450 and 45-70. Well 35 years ago I bought a 336C from J C Penny's. ( Yes they did at one time sale guns) I never hunted with it until this year. I sighted it in and on opening day a 8am I shot the gun one time and had a large deer for the freezer. After shooting my other guns I didn't even feel this gun. After 35 years i fell in love with the old 30-30 once again.
 

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I have a "patented" load for the 30-30 using IMR-4895, but it's for the 150-grain bullet, so you'll need to get data from a good reloading manual, but 4895 (either version) can give wonderful accuracy with a bullet the gun likes.
 

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papajohn said:
I have a "patented" load for the 30-30 using IMR-4895, but it's for the 150-grain bullet, so you'll need to get data from a good reloading manual, but 4895 (either version) can give wonderful accuracy with a bullet the gun likes.
I can attest to that.

 

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30 gr of IMR 3031 is a time honored recipe. Use underneath any decent 170 gr bullet.
 

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Here is what Hodgdon gives for IMR-4895:
MIN. MAX.
170 GR. SIE FP IMR IMR 4895 .308" 2.550" 29.8 1938 30,500 CUP 31.7 2068 35,300 CUP

And here is H-4895:
MIN. MAX.
170 GR. SIE FP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.550" 27.5 1947 28,200 CUP 30.5 2138 35,200 CUP

The H-4895 is pretty doggone close to what I got out of my gun.

I will say my load of H-4895 with the 170 gr Core-lokt really put the smack down on a small buck I shot in 2009.
 

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Not to usurp Tony's recomendation on the 30gr of 3031 under a 170gr bullet but, in my brand new 336W 30-30, I worked up to 30 grains of IMR3031 and my cases started to stick in the chamber!! Be cautious and work up slowly.
I don't know if my new 336W has a minimum chamber, short throat or what, I just know that 30gr of IMR3031 was
too hot. I have burned IMR3031 in a LOT of calibers and never had any difficulty with it except in my 336W.
358 Win
 

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358 Win said:
Not to usurp Tony's recomendation on the 30gr of 3031 under a 170gr bullet but, in my brand new 336W 30-30, I worked up to 30 grains of IMR3031 and my cases started to stick in the chamber!! Be cautious and work up slowly.
I don't know if my new 336W has a minimum chamber, short throat or what, I just know that 30gr of IMR3031 was
too hot. I have burned IMR3031 in a LOT of calibers and never had any difficulty with it except in my 336W.
358 Win
No usurption (is that a word?) done, my friend. This illustrates perfectly why there is no such thing as a handloading "recipe." This load is one of the all time classics, used in zillions of .30-30 rifles since time began and dinosaurs walked the planet... OK it's not that old, but it goes back decades. But it is a max load and like all max loads, sometimes there will be guns that don't like it. What a great way to illustrate this to our friend, North-woods. Thanks 358.

NO MATTER WHAT, ALWAYS WORK UP TO A MAX LOAD. ALWAYS.

PS: 3031 works pretty darned good in the .358 too!
 

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I too load lots of170 gr. 30-30 bullets in my 336W. Mostly 170 core locks and sierra flat nosers. When I use hornady brass which is 8 to 10 grains heavier than remmy or winchester I have to drop the max loads down a bit. The hornady brass I have was once factory loaded FTX,s. So a max load with win. and rem brass is over max with the Horn. brass.
 
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