[schneck66]

Hallo, now i have new a Marlin 336 C in .35 Rem 20 in Barrel, (very rare in Germany ), my Problem...for hog hunting in need a load that bring a energy of 2000 j / 100m i want reloand with Hornady 220 grs RN, W-W Brass and rem 9 1/2 Primers, on Powder i can thake AA 2520 or H 4895,can i reach the Energie for Hogs ? ??? sorry for my Misthaks....greetings from Germany
oh, the gun is 40 j old i think

 

[Halwg]

Ok, as far as I can tell 2000 joules = 1475 ft/lbs. So let's take a look.

I use 41.0 gr of AA 2520 with a 220 gr Speer FN at 2210 fps. That translates to:

Muzzle Energy: 2386 ft/lbs = 3845 joules

100 yard energy: 1856 ft/lb = 2516 joules

150 yard energy: 1629 ft/lb = 2208 joules

200 yard energy: 1426 ft/lb = 1933 joules

So you would be good with 41.0 gr of AA 2520 and the 220 gr. Speer.

 

[358 Win]

Hal comes through again!!!! You must be real edumacated knowing what all them j's meant!! I'm seriously impressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
358 Win

 

[DWB]

Good response. Fast, too.

Halwg, for your load of 41.0 gr of AA-2520 with 220 grain bullets, how close is that to your max for this particular bullet and powder combination?

 

[Halwg]

Good response. Fast, too.

Halwg, for your load of 41.0 gr of AA-2520 with 220 grain bullets, how close is that to your max for this particular bullet and powder combination?

Quite close. 42.0 was the max I got from Johan, but I was working toward 2200 fps and stopped at 41.0 because it got me there. No pressure signs at that point, but I didn't push it any further.

And on the joule vs ft/lbs. I think we all learned in HS that joules is the metric equivalent of ft pounds. I just got a conversion program and punched in the numbers. ;D

The joule (pronounced /ˈdʒuːl/ or /ˈdʒaʊl/); symbol J) is a derived unit of energy or work in the International System of Units. It is equal to the energy expended (or work done) in applying a force of one newton through a distance of one metre (1 newton metre or N·m), or in passing an electric current of one ampere through a resistance of one ohm for one second. It is named after the English physicist James Prescott Joule

BTW, this is a pretty stout load, with decent recoil in a 20" carbine. I developed this specifically for hunting black bears in PA, which, unfortunately, I didn't get to do this past season. I shot a medium sized doe in 2009 with that load and it did a very good job. But so do any of my other 35 Remington loads.

 

[358 Win]

Hal,
I never learned about joules in high school, or if they taught it I was busy with the young ladies!LOL Seriously, it is
very comforting knowing we have educated guys on MO like you, Swaney, Preacher and 35reminton to name just a few. It's comforting to know you guys are there to keep dumb dutchman like me out of harms way. Thank you!!!!!
Bob

 

[308/338]

Hey Hal do you think this load "41.0 gr of AA-2520 with 220 grain bullets" will work good In my new unfired 336XLR-35R.? I have all I need but the Speer 220 gr. bullets. Is this load a home recipe of Johan or is it in print? 42.0 gr. or 41.0 gr. of AA2520 seems kinda high.
TO NY

 

[City Slicker]

I think we all learned in HS that joules is the metric

What I learned about "joules" in HS...is you don't want to get kicked in 'em.

 

[35remington]

It's not. Johan develops his load data using Quickload.

 

[308/338]

What I learned about "joules" in HS...is you don't want to get kicked in 'em.

That's funny. ;D

 

[schneck66]

Ok, as far as I can tell 2000 joules = 1475 ft/lbs. So let's take a look.

I use 41.0 gr of AA 2520 with a 220 gr Speer FN at 2210 fps. That translates to:

Muzzle Energy: 2386 ft/lbs = 3845 joules

100 yard energy: 1856 ft/lb = 2516 joules

150 yard energy: 1629 ft/lb = 2208 joules

200 yard energy: 1426 ft/lb = 1933 joules
WOW ! Thats a LOt of energie from this little Round...AA 2520 is good, mhh i only get the Hornady 200 grs, so i must look for 220...very
hard to find in germany, i am serching....Thanks for your answers.. want this gun for hunting Roedeer and if a Hog came.... ;D in my Hunting aera there hogs, most untill 70 kg /field dressd, most i use my : 308 win 180 grs Federal, fusion oder on driven hunt my 308MX Marlin, 170grs Hornady FN, rem 9 1/2, 38.5 H4895

 

[schneck66]

Halwg, i see your load with the 200grs Rem cl, also with AA2520 41,0 grs at 2200 fts, this load i can do with the bullet and Powder i have, 2200 fps and a 200 grs bullet, will this bring 2000j / 1475 ftlbs ??

 

[City Slicker]

Schneck66,
How do you get your bullets in Germany? Do you buy them locally or do you have them mailed from the USA. I have never checked the Post Office to see if they will mail reloading components to Germany. I do a lot of eBay transactions to Germany and mail things there all the time. I know First Class International has a 4 pound limit. I am not sure how much 2 boxes of Speer 220 grain FN weigh, but I would be willing to check it out. I'm not sure if the cost of postage makes it to expensive. If you would like my help let me know.

City Slicker

 

[schneck66]

Hallo City Slicker, i can buy bullets from a local store or i order them from EGun, its like Ebay but only for guns, Ammo, and so on i try to get 220 grs here in germany ican oder them from a dealer who import from USA but many thanks for your Help !!! in first time i will load my 200 grs Hornady sorry , in my first post i wrote 220 ! that is wrong :-\ only 200 grs on Hand, i wiil try it with 41,0grs AA2520 (work up from 39,0 that is shown in LEE dates)but i am not sure of this load will get 1475 ftlbs at 110 ydrs Thanks at all for help and sorry my much mistakes...how much is a mail to Germany ? in a German magazine are the 220 grs Speer FN 38 Euro(50 USD) per 100

 

[City Slicker]

Do not worry about the "mistakes", your English is great!

There are a lot of great guys here on Marlin Owners always ready to help.

Welcome to Marlin Owners and good luck with your reloading project.

 

[Halwg]

Halwg, i see your load with the 200grs Rem cl, also with AA2520 41,0 grs at 2200 fts, this load i can do with the bullet and Powder i have, 2200 fps and a 200 grs bullet, will this bring 2000j / 1475 ftlbs ??

Ok, I have to go back to my conversion program to convert ft/lbs to joules.

My load with the 200 gr Hornady RN is also 41.0 gr and it gets me 2235 fps. So plugging these numbers into the ballistic program I get the following:

Muzzle Energy: 2218 ft/lbs = 3007 joules

50 yard Energy: 1837 ft/lbs = 2490 joules

75 yard Energy: 1667 ft/lbs = 2260 joules

100 yard Energy: 1510 ft/lb = 2047 joules

110 yard Energy: 1451 ft lb = 1967 joules

You are just shy of your 2000 joules at 100 meters using the 200 gr RN. You are good to about 95 meters.

 

[schneck66]

Thanks a lot Halwg, i think you are an Expert ...i will work up to tihs load and how it groups, want groups under 2 inch, 5 cm

 

[LT]

Hallo, now i have new a Marlin 336 C in .35 Rem 20 in Barrel, (very rare in Germany ), my Problem...for hog hunting in need a load that bring a energy of 2000 j / 100m i want reloand with Hornady 220 grs RN, W-W Brass and rem 9 1/2 Primers, on Powder i can thake AA 2520 or H 4895,can i reach the Energie for Hogs ? ??? sorry for my Misthaks....greetings from Germany
oh, the gun is 40 j old i think

If you have Federal, Hornady, Remington or Winchester 200gr factory ammo available in Germany, any of those offerings are more than enough for a hog.

 

[Halwg]

Yes, I guess my question is why you need 2000 joules of energy? Is that a hunting regulation in your area? I know there was always a rule of thumb here that you need 1000 ft/lbs of energy (1355 joules) to cleanly kill a deer. That has been disproven.

The 35 Remington with it's fairly large bullet has been a proven killer of most any game, and would surely kill a hog at 100 meters in standard 200 gr ammo. It does sound like you may have some type of regulation requiring 2000 joules. Is that the case?

 

[schneck66]

Yes, I guess my question is why you need 2000 joules of energy? Is that a hunting regulation in your area? I know there was always a rule of thumb here that you need 1000 ft/lbs of energy (1355 joules) to cleanly kill a deer. That has been disproven.

The 35 Remington with it's fairly large bullet has been a proven killer of most any game, and would surely kill a hog at 100 meters in standard 200 gr ammo. It does sound like you may have some type of regulation requiring 2000 joules. Is that the case?

Here in Germany a gun must bring 2000j at 100 m and a min cal. of .264 (6.5mm) wehn you want shoot larger Amimals like Hogs, Red stag or Dammwild .For Roedeer is 5.6mm (224 dia) and 1000j at 100 m its law here, a believe that a good load of a 30-30, and also a .35Rem will bang a hog, but is is not allowed by Law...Thanks a lot for your load datas, i will play next time with my "New" .35 Rem first i must do a trigger work,then put a Bushnell elite 3200 3-9x40 on it,then i start with 39,0 AA2520,200 Horn. will work up to 41,0 When i can get 220 Speer, i will try it also : Roedeer season is starting at 1 May, so i have a lot of Time..